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Question 1:

Name: Lance
Question: Hello. This question has been in my mind forever. When the bible speaks about angels doing battle, such as when Michael and his Angels fighting with satan and his angels in the first earth age, the question comes to mind as to how do they fight? With weapons? Hand to hand combat? A battle of knowledge? Your help would be appreciated.


Name: Brandon T. Ward
Question: Lance, great question thank you.

We know in The First Earth Age there was no flesh, only us in our true bodies which are our spiritual bodies which never get sick, old or die. So a battle in those times was one of Satan and his wicked angels winning a battle of souls if you will. Ultimately, getting people in The First Earth Age to leave God’s side and join Satan’s.

Things have not changed a whole lot. That is still the goal of Satan, to take as many with him to the grave as possible. Satan probably thinks God is going to change His mind and not destroy Satan, but he is greatly mistaken.In this present age of flesh there will not be a physical battle either. The battle will be of our own will, a spiritual battle that will again decide who will follow God and who will follow Satan.

Concerning the battle in Heaven, when God tells Michael to cast Satan to the earth there will be no scuffle, God is in control and what He says goes period (Revelation 12:7-9).



Question 2:

Name: Charles
Question: Is the sin of murder forgiven on earth or only when you die and come before JESUS? I think I rmemeber Pastor Murray saying there was no forgiveness for murder while in the flesh. It would be jusged when you come before Christ.


Name: Brandon T. Ward
Question: Charles, thank you for the question.

It looks like you have nailed this one already. Let us document it in the scriptures for everyone. Please turn your Bible with me to,

Leviticus 24:17
17 “And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.”

That is written pretty plain and simple for all to understand. If someone murders, that means with malintent in their heart that would require death in the flesh. Take a look at the Ten Commandments and note the word “kill” in your Strong’s Concordance and you will note it means “murder”. There is a big difference between killing and murdering someone. Remember, God Himself commanded His people through the ages to kill certain people, so we know there are times when it is justified.

I want to make certain everyone understands the difference between malintent and self defense or even an accident. God knows our hearts and there is no sin in killing to protect your family if that was your only option in a life or death situation.


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  1. Adding to the Trinity discussion, I think it’s the same type of wonderful work as the cloven tongue. One language, yet many, but the source is only one, but it was more than one when it went out. And only God can do that.

  2. I told you so. I have heard all the arguments many many times, there is nothing new in any of your statements, not one of them makes me believe other than what I have stated. We will just have to agree to disagree.
    Thank you for your support Korey.

  3. Thank you. So basically it was a battle of wills?

    • You are welcome. I take it you are referring to the First Earth Age… If so, it would have been a battle of the people’s wills. Them deciding if they would follow God or Satan. But no battle between God or Satan just as there will be no battle between God and Satan at the 6th trumpet. God will tell Michael to cast out Satan and that will be it.

      Satan does not want to leave Heaven because he knows when he does it has a short time on the earth.

      • Lance, maybe we can think in terms of a battle between loyalty and betrayal. Temptation. It all boils down to loyalty to YHVH or betraying Him for the cheap imitations Satan puts forth. Like in the flesh we “battle” depression, addiction, temptations. There can be physical manifestations of these battles, but largely it’s mental, emotional, and will. So in the spirit, maybe it’s the same.

        • Well said, Connie! Another way of putting that…it’s a “battle” between God and Satan…Good and evil…Holy and profane.

          We remove one letter…’O’ from Good, we get GOD.

          Add one letter ‘d’ evil…we get devil.

          Satan o’ded on pride and arrogance…and got sentenced to death.

          YES…it *is* a Spiritual battle…for *souls*!

          God WINS! Evil will be destroyed / totally obliterated in the Lake of Fire.

          How could the *creature* believes that he will *win* against the *Creator* Himself?

          This baffles me every time! Satan is that arrogant!

          Satan gets to see his 7000 fallen angels DIE on the first day of the Millennium…it’s the first time he’ll actually get to see death of a soul…right at the Return of Christ…King of kings and Lord of lords! You would think that he will get it then…God means business!

          Good prevails over evil…at the end of the day!

          It’s a test for us while the battle continues…we get to *choose* which side we’ll be on.

          And that’s a matter of Life or death!

          We choose Life…Eternal Life…with God in His Kingdom!

          We believe God! He told us how it will end.

          No ifs…ands…buts or maybe’s about it!

          May God YHVH continue to keep us in His Way.

          God bless.

      • Good day Brandon,

        In reference to your words: “But no battle between God or Satan just as there will be no battle between God and Satan at the 6th trumpet. God will tell Michael to cast out Satan and that will be it.”

        I believe that this Spiritual battle *is* actually…between…God and Satan …Holy against profane…which *includes*… a battle for souls.

        It is *GOD’S* Throne that Satan really wants…’The Mercy Seat’ that has a
        Messianic connotation to it. The same Throne that the four creatures
        (zoon / zoa) guards now…since Satan’s fall from the position of *protecting* cherub.

        Satan wants to…*be*…God.

        All of us…were created for God’s Pleasure…including…Michael and his warrior angels…so God …DESIGNATES…in some wars…while in others…He fights Himself…He’s *actively*…Commander and Chief… of these
        battles at all times.

        Just like he swears by Himself at times…for there is *none* higher…He’s Commands and Chiefs Himself in some wars! And these are battles with loss of lives.

        Copycat Satan…also has his warriors…standing on the…*Losing* end…No ‘biggy’ there!

        God…SINGLE-HANDEDLY…fights…and WINS…the final battles of this earth age…which actually result in the ‘loss of lives’…just like with King Yeshua’s wrath…which kills the 7000 fallen angels…at the first day of the Millennium. So will it be also with the battle of Armageddon and Hamon-gog…which are fought simultaneously…at two (2) separate places…….


        Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39…detail these Final 2 battles

        Ezekiel 38:22 “And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and GREAT HAILSTONES, FIRE, and BRIMSTONE.”

        Approximately 110 – 180 pound “HAILSTONES”…GOD’S SUPERNATURAL MUSCLE FLEXING CONSUMING POWER…I’d say…Michael and troops get to see their *Commander and Chief*…in a *Single* Entity Battle AGAINST His enemies, once again!

        Ezekiel 38:23 “Thus will I magnify Myself, and sanctify Myself; and I WILL be known in the eyes of many nations, AND they shall KNOW that I AM the

        His *enemies* should utterly SHUDDER! *If* they weren’t so obstinate and evil!

        For…just as it’s written…so shall it be done!

        Just a little sharing.

        May God lead, guide, direct us in His Truths!


        • Right and that is what I stated and we have documented some of this in our Satan’s Sin study. All I am getting at is with God there is no battle. Satan stands zero chance of defeating God so I do not consider that a battle.

  4. Homer you are not alone in your understanding. I too believe as you!

    • I’m chiming in here just a bit to share a couple of verses in God’s Word with you, Korey…hope this helps increase your faith that Christ Yeshua *is* God / Lord.

      It is written:

      “And God said unto Moses, “I AM THAT I AM:” and He said, “Thus shalt thou say unto
      the children of Israel, `I AM hath sent me unto you.’ ” Exodus 3:14.

      The next scripture below…Christ Himself lets us know exactly Who He is:

      “Jesus said unto them, “Verily verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”

      Korey…that’s the same “I AM” who had sent Moses in the Book of Exodus.

      “I AM” is the sacred name of God.

      Just a little Food for thought.

  5. Charles, I’m pretty sure people stand before God for judgment, not Jesus. Christ is the intercessor for people who believe in Him, but God is the one who makes the decision. Of course God will go by Christ’s recommendation.

    • Good catch Homor, I would agree.

    • Just chiming in here a bit Homer…I’m trying to wrap my mind around what you’ve stated, regarding God YHVH and Christ.

      It is written that They are ONE in the same, as evident in the Scriptures below.

      “Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.” John 14:11.

      “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
      thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen ME hath seen the FATHER;
      and HOW sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” John 14:9.

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD *WAS* GOD.” John 1:1.

      Yeshua *is* the Living *WORD*….God became flesh John 1:14…Emmanuel: God with us.

      Now with that being documented…God also holds different Offices…that’s a given…He is the Great *I AM THAT I AM*…and it is also written that:

      “Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the RIGHT HAND of GOD, who also maketh intercession for us.

      Note well…that it did NOT state the right *side* BUT…the right *Hand*…

      I believe that PM stated a long time ago, (If my memory serves me right)…that the *RIGHT HAND*…denotes *POWER*…which to me, makes perfect sense…because the Father and Son are ONE…and wherever those two (2) are…the HOLY SPIRIT is there also…One in the Same.


      All this to say, that I believe the *FULL* GODHEAD…will make the Decisions on Judgement Day. Yeshua’s very Name means: YHVH’s Saves/Savior….and wherever those two are…the Holy Spirit is there also…is another way of saying that.

      Please bear in mind…I’m humbly a *student* of God’s Word…just a little food for thought on that topic.

      • Hi Eye on God. Great scripture to be familiar with! I just wanted to say your memory is correct; PM did state that the right hand was the power hand; just as “most” people use there right hand as their dominant hand. Also Isaiah 40:10 says “Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.” ALLELUIA our savior is coming soon! He is our shepherd, and will gather His sheep from the four corners of the earth; and we will sing for joy. Oh that song of Moses will be sweet to the ears. I hope my voice improves with the change of bodies…LOL!

        • LOLz! Don’t worry…every part of you will be *perfect*…you’ll sing that “song”…as…an angel!

          Thanks for confirming what PM said for me, ‘Driving for God’! Truly appreciated.

          Great supporting Scripture there! Helps drive the point home…so to speak!

          I absolutely share your sheer enthusiasm and eager anticipation of the return of our King of kings and Lord of lords!

          Peace be unto you as well.

      • This is always an interesting topic and thank you for bringing the scriptures forward. It is interesting to note that Christ returns and the Election will reign with Him for a thousand years and not until after that period will our Father dwell with us on earth. They are one, but there is a difference as well. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit and it is that Spirit that binds them together.

        • I truly appreciate your response on this topic Brandon…

          And that “difference”…as you have stated above, is precisely why I’ve stated in my comment:

          “…God also holds different Offices…that’s a given…He is the Great *I AM THAT I AM*…”

          And YES…Correct! “the Election will reign with Him for a thousand years and not until after that period will our Father dwell with us on earth.”

          I should note that I was referring to “Judgment Day”…which is at the *END* of the Millennium…in regards to Homer’s comment, quoted below:

          “…… I’m pretty sure people stand before God for judgment, not Jesus.”

        • Father,Son,Holy Spirit and Melchizedek does that make four?

          • Tommy, no it does not make four. Melcha means King and Zadoc mean the Just. Christ is the King of the Just. Christ is Melchizedek. ( I don’t think we are spelling some of those words correctly.)

          • What form was Christ when he was Melchizedek,I know he was not flesh?

          • I’ll chime in with the clue to that answer, ‘Tommy G’…

            This is what was written of him:

            Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither
            beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrews 7:3.

            He was like unto the Son of God…because He *was* the Son of God…Christ Yeshua. He is called the “King of Salem” in the verse prior to this one.

            Salem means Peace.

            “And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27.

            So the only other choice that remains…is that He was in Spiritual form. Abraham tithe to him…he must have known that this being was Supernatural…and our High Priest…”continually”.

          • Thank you so much. I was trying to get to that part about tithing to a super natural being. I have a lot of things sitting on the shelf,as pm says. I know a lot of the different names of God,but that has never sat well with me.For example in the beginning he was the Word ,which is another title or position if you will. trying to understand and having a conversation sometimes confuses. Usually it is me,but I am getting better. I know trinity means three but trinity is not writing in the bible and the Holy Spirit is never called or referred to as a person,that would be a good one to get off the shelf. Love you all.

          • You’re welcome Tommy!

            With regards to “tithing to a super natural being”….

            It is written: ” “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the trees, IS the Lord’s: it IS holy unto the

            We all know that God *is*…a Supernatural being…and the Tithes belong to Him.

            He is the One who established the “Tithe”…It is also written:

            “Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, ‘HOW have we robbed You?’ In TITHES and OFFERINGS. Malachi 3:8.

            With that being said…it should not be any mystery, that Abraham tithe to Melchizedek…our High Priest…Christ Yeshua in one of His other roles. And you already know (from what I’ve already documented on here) that I *believe* what is written in God’s Word…that God and Christ are One.

            I understand where you are coming from…putting things “on the shelf”…I’ve found myself there, at times…BUT…He’s never failed me yet! I remain fervent in prayer and patiently wait, when that happens. I believe that to be the *right* attitude…God tests us to see how serious we are about His Truths. Hang in there…He will never leave nor forsake us…Hebrews 13:5…those who earnestly love Him, and are eager to learn His Truths.

            You’ve also stated: ” I know trinity means three but trinity is not writing in the bible and the Holy Spirit is never called or referred to as a person,that would be a good one to get off the shelf.”

            The actual word *Millennium*…is not written in the Bible either…but…the term is used by those who teach the Bible. When I searched for its meaning, I saw:

            1. A period of a THOUSAND years, especially when calculated from the traditional date of the birth of Christ.

            2. One thousand years.

            So…Bible teachers commonly use this term to refer to the “Day of our Lord”…which the Bible defines…as equal to 1000 of our years. 2 Peter 3:8.

            Apply the same method with the “Trinity”…

            1. The Christian Godhead as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

            2. A group of three people or things.

            Some of us have already shared on this forum…that…we’ve been taught…that the “Spirit” is the *Intellect* or the *thought process* of the soul…and I’ve also shared…that I’ve been taught that we can think of the *soul* as being *self*…It should be a given…that God’s Spirit *is*…the HOLY SPIRIT…and wherever God and Christ are…there will the Holy Spirit be also…The TRINITY…for Christ Yeshua was made in God’s “EXPRESS IMAGE”…as I’ve already documented in my comments above.

            Whereas…we were created / formed in the image of the angels…we came from God. We also have 2 bodies…TERRESTRIAL (flesh) and CELESTIAL (spirit). 1 Corinthians 15:40 and Genesis 1:26…God + the angels (ELOHIM)

            All this to state…try not to let these 2 actual terms STUMP or bring confusion to your mind…especially if it *ALIGNS* with God’s Word.

            I believe if we do as Christ Yeshua has instructed below…He will *not* leave us wanting.

            “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.” Matthew 22:37.

            “ABOVE ALL”….Have *Faith*…in God / Christ!

          • thanks again,that helped a lot. One more thing off the shelf. The statement about the Holy Spirit never being called or referred to as a person came from Bullinger.

          • There is a necessary *correction* to be made in my reply to Tommy, which has not been posted yet, Brandon.

            In the paragraph which states:

            “Whereas…we were created / formed in the image of the angels…we came from God. We also have 2 bodies…carnal (flesh) and terrestrial (spirit). Genesis 1:26…God + the angels (ELOHIM)”

            It should be *corrected* to:

            Whereas…we were created / formed in the image of the angels…we came from God. We also have 2 bodies…TERRESTRIAL (flesh) and CELESTIAL (spirit). 1 Corinthians 15:40 and Genesis 1:26…God + the angels (ELOHIM)

            I’ll make the necessary correction when / if it’s posted.

            Thanks much.

          • Yes, when you signup for a Disqus commenting account you can edit your own posts. Did you try editing it while waiting for moderation?

          • Thanks for getting back to me, Brandon. I saw the error…after…I closed out of it…and I did not see an *Edit* button, after that.

            I never had this problem before…it seemed to have changed a bit just recently.

            But waited for it to be posted and corrected it. Had to wait quite a bit longer for it to be re-posted again…but it’s all good now.

            I appreciate your reply…thanks again!

          • Brandon, in the past I’ve had this problem as well. Sometimes while I’m typing on my lab top I accidentally post while I’m still typing and editing what I want to say. True you can edit it, but if you accidentally bump a link and leave the page, you loose the ability to edit the post any further. I’ll have to check if this is still true with your new site, for earlier today while I was in the middle of a post I was accidentally linked to another page, and for the first time, I didn’t loose my unsaved post when I returned to finish it. However, once the post is pending, you can’t change it by going into your profile on discus.

            Okay Brandon, I send this post and closed out the page, went and brought up another page, then came back and it was still there:-). If I have any future problems, I’ll let you know, but the new site is performing better; for in the past, I posted some things that, a little bit later when I gave it some more thought, I wanted to change but couldn’t.

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          • I’d say he’s Melchizedek in Heaven, and while he was living as Jesus
            in the flesh.

          • And *continually*…FOREVER MORE…’bluesky’… as God’s Word makes quite clear for us.

            Hebrews 7:21-28 “(For those priests were made WITHOUT an oath; BUT this with an oath by him that said unto him, The LORD sware and will NOT repent, Thou art a priest FOR EVER after the order of Melchisedec:) 22 By so much was JESUS made a SURETY of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were NOT suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 BUT this man, because he continueth ever, hath an UNCHANGEABLE Priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to SAVE them to the uttermost that come unto God by HIM, seeing He EVER liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an High Priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made HIGHER than the heavens; 27 Who needeth NOT daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did ONCE, when he offered up HIMSELF. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; BUT the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the SON, who is consecrated FOR EVERMORE.”

            There is NO doubt by this Truth…that CHRIST YESHUA *is* the High Priest…FOREVER…after the Order of Melchizedek (Hebrew spelling) …*CONTINUALLY*.

            God bless.

          • If you read the whole chapter of Hebrews 7 you will see that Melchizedek was Jesus. Each person of God has more than one name such as:
            -The Father is also YHVH
            -The Son is also the Savior
            -The Holy Spirit is also the comforter

            Lord, God, Lamb of God, Morning Star, Jesus Christ, Son of Man, Son of David, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Alpha and Omega, Light of the world……there are so many. They are all names given to the persons of the Trinity.

      • I don’t think people are going to agree with me on this. But I am going to say this anyway.
        To say if you have seen the son you have seen the father, that is a true statement about any father and son. The son is from the father, a part of him, so if you have seen one you have seen the other. It is a figure of speech.

        However in the case of God and Christ they even share the same spirit. Unlike the rest of us who have our own spirit, God and Christ share the same spirit we call it the Holy Spirit, and Christ is not from a seed from God’s body, God did not have sex to create Christ, but he did use part of His own body to form Christ’s body so it is something much more than a normal father and son. God and Christ are actually one. They are from the same body and have the same spirit.

        I do not believe for one second God and Christ are one as in one body shared by both, or separate offices or duties, God splitting himself in two to perform multiple functions or anything like that.

        But they are so connected what happens to one happens to the other, as in Christ being crucified is the same as Satan killing God Himself. Christ’s spirit did not die on the cross but since God and Christ share the same spirit and are of the same body it was both Christ’s spirit and body and God’s spirit and body that was hanging on that cross, Christ is a part of God, they share the same spirit but they have separate bodies, I don’t know how God physically split his body to form Christ His only BEGOTTEN Son, but he did and gave the part He separated from Himself a life of its own and shared His spirit and God became two distinct separate beings, the Father and the Son, but still, they are one and the same because God did not create anything new in Christ, He just sort of split Himself in two and called the lesser part His Son. Can anyone picture that, does any of that make any sense to anyone?

        I am probably alone in believing this, but I have thought about it and prayed for understanding for years and this is all I have to offer on the subject

        • To a degree of what you are saying that is how I have believed myself. Yes, they are one, connected by the Spirit and you have taken it a step further in saying God split Christ off for lack of a better term. I am not sure if that can be documented or if it is just your way of explaining. In either case we know they have to be separate in some sense. Christ was here on earth and His Father was in Heaven. Christ will return at the end of the Tribulation, but God will remain in Heaven. There is a difference for sure. Like I said earlier, this is a very interesting topic.

          • Brandon, I want to thank you for this wonderful site. It is one of the blessings in my life that I thank our Father for on a regular basis. I keep you and your crew behind the scenes in my prayers always! You are doing a wonderful work, always giving glory to the Father!
            Thank you again!

          • Korey, thank you for the kind words and comment it means a lot.

        • Homer, I just want to encourage you, I believe as you and most do not agree with me either. People quote the scriptures that have been mentioned and all scripture is good,, but to suggest that these scriptures confirm the Father and Christ are the same person, for me that answer has only created more confusion, God is not the author of confusion! I have found more scriptures in my studies confirm the opposite, Hang in there, we are all brothers and sisters; I have learned sometimes we have to agree to disagree. The day is soon coming when we will all have understanding; I look forward to that time!

        • Homer, I’m glad you have thought about this subject at length, for anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear has pondered this very unique connection that makes up the trinity of the Godhead. It is a very deep mystery for the called by God to understand, and many are led into confusion by this connection of Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
          Shepherd’s Chapel teaches that your spirit is your intellect, which is your thinking process, where your thoughts and wisdom generate from; and when Christ abides in you, it is His wisdom of thinking that guides your thoughts into the acceptable ways that please God (God created us for His pleasure). The Holy Spirit is God’s intellect, which we are to pray for continually. Most of man’s spirit/intellect is rooted in carnal pleasures, which we are not to be led by, but to seek after that which is heavenly. To seek after things of the flesh is to partake of that which is of the fallen nature of man. For it is written “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” Rom 8:13.
          Remember, also, that it is written that God is Spirit and has to take creature form in order to create His works and give blessings in the earth. (companion bible appendix 4, it is God’s title ELOHIM). It is written that no (flesh) man has seen God, which is true because to see Him you need to be in your spiritual body, which is made up of your soul and spirit.
          God also takes creature form in the O.T. as Melchizedek king of Salem in Gen. 14:18, and also visits and has lunch with Abraham just before He destroys Sodom. However, if you haven’t read all the divine names given of God, I would highly recommend reading all of appendix 4 and 98, which gives you all the divine names for Christ as well. If you do not have this bible, than just click on the bible resource tab at the top of the page.
          It’s also written that God took the form of sinful flesh (not sin) in order to defeat death thereby giving life to his children.
          Finally, I also don’t believe God “splits himself into anything. His title speaks for itself: I AM THAT I AM, or said another way, I WILL BE WHATEVER I WILL BE. God is omnipresent. I believe that He can be in heaven and on earth at the same time if he chooses. I would dare not put limitations on what our Father can or cannot do.
          Homer, I’ve said enough for now. Hope I didn’t go on too long and bore you. Please note that what I wrote is coming from just another student of God’s word like yourself and needs to be thoroughly checked out for yourself. For these are my thoughts as to understanding the Godhead trinity connection. I hope it was edifying to your understanding, for it really helps me when I share my written thoughts to others and receive instruction and feedback in return.
          Very Humbly D.F.G.

          • I felt the love that was poured out in your sharing there, D.F.G!

            Very well articulated…and with such humility!

            Mark of a True Christian.

            You’ve planted the Seed…but remember…GOD is the One who gives the INCREASE.

            We will continue to pray for one another, edify one another when there’s an opportunity, and WAIT for God to impart wisdom, knowledge and understanding to *all* those who *earnestly seek* to mature, more and more in His Word!

            Thank you for sharing! We share because we care!

            God Bless.

          • EyeonGod, thank you so much for your kind words. I must give God all the credit, for what I wrote was His wisdom not mine. I’ve been busy with work, but I see you have been very busy in my absents. I see I have much to catch up on. I will talk more in your newer posts:-)

          • You’ve stated D.F.G…

            ” I’ve said enough for now. Hope I didn’t go on too long and bore you.”

            It is one of our duties as Christian believers to *plant* Seeds of Truth…BUT…also bear in mind, that it is *not* for all…to understand these Truths. Matthew 13:1-52 explains this in more detail…but I will share a few verses directly below.

            Matthew 13:10-13 “And the disciples came, and said unto him, WHY speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, “Because it is
            given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of
            heaven, but to them it is not given. For
            whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have
            more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be
            taken away even that he hath.”

            We should do our *best* in Seed planting…when questions, refutes or concerns come our way…but we should also Spiritually discern.. *if* those seeking…are willing and equipped to learn and mature, when a Truth is shared. For God may *not* be ready to give them the increase. We should be quickly able to discern, whether they are more interested in causing strife and derision amongst us.

            That’s why I believe…God/Christ takes the position and authority to give the *increase*. We are to do our best and trust God/Christ for the rest…He knows fully well who the earnest seekers are. He is a *Heart Knower*.

            I’m not in any way stating that this is the case here…but that you should remain aware of this…in general…when you Seed plant. You’ve shared with love, patience and humility…It’s right there for all to see. An *earnest* Truth seeker in God/Christ…will *appreciate* that…whether they believe what you’ve shared or not. You are saving up treasures in Heaven, in so doing. God will see your work…do not be discouraged.

            I am aware that you are quite familiar with what I’m stating, but other Seed planters may be edified by this as well.

            Gentle reminder.

            Peace…and God bless.

          • Thanks again EyeonGod for all your kind and thoughtful sentiments; it’s much appreciated. I remember AM use to always say: teach God’s word boldly and don’t worry what other people think, but care only about what God thinks. If you offend someone by teaching God’s word… who cares… plough them out of the way! LOL.

            You know, it’s amazing how the spirit moves! The scriptures you posted above Mat. 10-13, I was just studying them in detail Saturday afternoon when I was going over Brandon’s bible study THE GARDEN OF EDEN: THE ORINGINS OF SATAN’S SIN. I was mildly disagreeing with him when he states that “this is a reference to the parable of talents.” But I think he meant that it was only similar to that parable. Sometimes it’s too easy to find myself nitpicking when I should be encouraging. That saying, I liken a good Christian to a perfectionist, always wanting to know God’s word exactly correct. Nothing but the best will do, and unfortunately, try as we will, we always fall short. Lucky for us, our loving Father stamps our works perfect when we sincerely try.
            So anyways, with you bringing attention to these exact scriptures that I had just made a deep study of, makes me feel like God’s Spirit is making major intercession to us even before we knew what we were going to talk about! Even before I knew I was going to share and post to Homer! This makes me think I’m on the right track to correctly understanding the relationship of the trinity. God’s Spirit and truth always leads, guides, and directs us when we’re doing His work. So when the Spirit moves, I take notice!
            Keep ploughing and kicking Dragon but! We have the victory. D.F.G.

          • Thanks…and you’re welcome D.F.G…the kind sentiments are mutual. It’s so good to gather together with fellow students of God’s Word…where we reason, learn and edify one another…even when we agree to disagree on a given subject. It’s all good, and part of learning and maturing…for God’s Word is *pregnant*… Thank God for putting this WEBsite in Brandon’s heart..where we continue to grow, share and keep the *Watch*.

            Sharing that bit on Pastor AM…gave me quite a chuckle…that’s one of the many things I loved about him…His BOLD way of teaching. Such great teaching skills, memory, knowledge and confidence…gifts from God Himself. Oh how I thank God, for that Bible scholar / teacher and his son DM…Chip of the ‘ole’ block!

            It’s truly amazing how God’s Spirit moves amongst us…I truly appreciate that testimony…hope that many are edified by it as well.

            Yes…we’ll continue “ploughing and kicking Dragon”…while we share that Light…so that whoever will…may come out of the darkness of this world.

            Victory is indeed in God/Christ! To Him be all the Glory.

            God bless.

        • To Homer and everyone, if you internet search “Trinity diagram” there are several images but one simple, bold, clear diagram which has God in the center and Father, Son and Holy Spirit around it with lines connecting all three to each other stating “is not” and all three to God in the center stating “is”. Meaning:

          -The Father is not the Son
          -The Son is not the Holy Spirit
          -The Holy Spirit is not the Father
          -The Father is God
          -The Son is God
          -The Holy Spirit is God

          I believe when we see the amazing One True God we will also see the amazing three persons, yes at the same time, which is why we will be so amazed! This is one of His wonderful works He will reveal to us. Trinity – three, yet only one. The small percentage of our brains we use cannot wrap around this concept while we’re in the flesh, because nothing in the flesh world can do this, it is impossible. It is of the spiritual realm to see the FULL Godhead and even there only YHVH is capable of this wondrous work. This is why no one can see God and live, which I believe is in Scripture.(?) What exactly will we see when we face Him? We can’t picture it but we will no longer be limited in the flesh and we will understand then.

          Sorry Homer, didn’t mean to go against what you said, you are right about Christ being our intercessor and God being the judge, but they are one in the same, yet separate. With God all things are possible!

          • Yes, correct Connie…they are One in the Same.

            Like D.F.G shared earlier in his comment above and I can attest to that…Pastors A. and D. Murray both taught…you can think of the soul as *self*…and the spirit as the *Intellect* or *Thought Process* of the soul. Then it shouldn’t be to difficult too decipher, that wherever those 2 are the Holy Spirit (thought process) is there also. They are *exactly* alike…WHY?

            It is written: Hebrews 1:3 “Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the RIGHT HAND of the Majesty on high;”

            The RIGHT HAND denotes *POWER*…as I’ve shared in my original comment on here.

            Christ is the *Only* One made in God’s EXPRESS Image. God’s EXACT Image.

            Just in the verse prior…God lets us know:

            Hebrews 1:2 “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,
            Whom He hath *appointed* Heir of all things, by Whom ALSO He made the worlds;”

            This “appointing” took place BEFORE the foundation of this Earth Age…in other words…It was done in the First Earth Age.

            By WHOM did He “ALSO” made the worlds?

            Christ Yeshua…that’s WHO…They are One in the Same…for God YHVH is *the* CREATOR.

            God bless.

        • Thanks for sharing your position and thoughts on this subject, Homer! Well appreciated.

          I decided many years ago to *believe* God / Christ *whole-heartedly…and I acknowledge that there are *no* grey areas with Him. It’s either one believes…or not. I do respect others’ position…for it is written:

          “I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the *increase*.” 1 Corinthians 3:6.

          So as a serious student of His Word, I always pray that all who earnestly seek…He *increases* our knowledge. And to whom much is given, much is expected…so…we share.

          “ABOVE ALL, taking the shield of FAITH, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.” Ephesians 6:16.

          This is *part* of the FULL Armor of GOD / CHRIST. Without that, your Armor is INCOMPLETE! It’s the *most* important! You may as well not have on any of the others if you do not have this one…”ABOVE ALL”…

          It’s that said *faith* that helps us *believe*…that Christ Yeshua is LORD /GOD.

          He told us so in many ways…as evident in the Scriptures provided in my comment to you above…and I believe Him.

          Christ sent us this message: “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Revelation 22:13.

          Second witness to this: “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which IS, and which WAS, and which is TO COME, the ALMIGHTY.” Revelation 1:8.

          Who “WAS”?…It is CHRIST YESHUA…God in the flesh….EMMANUEL / God with us…The “ALMIGHTY”…Who gave His life to atone for us sinners…He also *IS*…and still yet *TO COME*.

          I believe Him!

          Revelation 22:16 “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you THESE things in the churches. I AM the root and the offspring
          of David, and the bright and morning star.”

          Who sent “these things”? CHRIST did! And I believe Him.

          “I AM THAT I AM”…means just that…GOD is *Whatever* He chooses to be!

          He is Melchizedek…King of the Just…our High Priest.

          He walked the Hebrew children through the fire.

          He is *the* King of kings and Lord of lords…note well…NOT…Prince!

          I wonder what position that leaves GOD in HIS Kingdom, if YESHUA is the King in His Dominion?…That’s of ofcourse *If* GOD and CHRIST are not One…there can only be…ONE…KING in His Dominion / Kingdom!

          I again share: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD *WAS* GOD.” John 1:1.


          May He open eyes to this Truth!

          • I decided many years ago to *believe* God / Christ
            *whole-heartedly…and I acknowledge that there are *no* grey areas with
            Him. It’s either one believes…or not. I do respect others’
            position…for it is written:”

            I feel the same way which is why I believe as I do.

          • *Believing* is a Life Saver…’Homer’.

            “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16.

            No doubt there…whatsoever! It is written.

          • Homer, Some times another simple example helps ,father and son being the subject,2 being 1 etc. When you drop the word PERSON a lot of things change. Example,When I go to work I have the title BOSS,when my wife walks in my title, office,aspect etc. I become husband,when my children come I am dad, Yet I am still Tommy g from Brandon,ms. The term PERSON came about as a catholic thing.

          • Simplified…that was ‘Tommy G’…and true..include the spirit, which you can think of…as the INTELLECT or THOUGHT PROCESS of your soul or SELF…but still…*all* ONE…holding different positions or offices.

            I believe you got it!

          • From your perspective. Others see it differently EyeonGod. It doesn’t mean one is right over the other. We may all hold a lot of core beliefs here, but no one is ever going to agree 100% on everything. Remember, you recently changed your mind on something because of what was taught here. Have a good day.

          • I specifically and merely meant to encourage and lend support to ‘Tommy G’…Brandon…and it’s quite clear that others may see things differently.

            “That’s precisely *why*…I stated right here on *this* Thread:

            I decided many years ago to *believe* God / Christ *whole-heartedly…and I acknowledge that there are *no* grey areas with
            Him. It’s either one believes…or not. I do respect others’
            position…for it is written:

            “I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the *increase*.” 1 Corinthians 3:6.

            So as a serious student of His Word, I always pray that all who earnestly seek…He *increases* our knowledge. And to whom much is given, much is expected…so…we share.”

            And you are absolutely right, Brandon…*you* have helped me to change my position before…on what I had *perceived* it to be…on a particular subject…and I thank God for using you to clarify that *perception*.

            Thank you…I sincerely appreciate that! We are *all*…subject to error in these flesh bodies…that’s a given. But God still expects us to share and edify one another, as part of our duties as Christians…He is the One…Who opens eyes and ears…He gives the increase.

            Just like He does through this Ministry and others…that FOLLOW HIM.

            And a hearty have a great day to you too!

          • Eye on God,do not know what that means, I am encouraged and feel supported by you. I am a happy man, I have a place I can talk with others about God ,that is a blessing. In Brandon ms there are two churches on every corner ,you can only imagine what is preached,I tell everyone I am home schooled. People want to talk about everthing but God. My wife and paster murray, we have it made. Peace to all

          • The *True* Church…is the *many* membered Body of Christ, of which He is the Head and Chief Cornerstone. I am glad that you are happy, encouraged and feel supported”…period! TommyG.

            Each part of that *Body* have their own gifts, to be utilized to edify in various ways…along with the Scripture…for it is written:

            “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2Timothy 3:16.

            We thank God for *not* leaving us wanting…in this time of Famine (hearing the Word of the Lord) and Apostasy (falling away from our professed belief). He used Pastors Murray to help so many grow and mature in His Word, including myself. I found no other…teaching the way they do at S.C….chapter by chapter, verse by verse…in such simplicity. What a blessing to be taught that way. For me…it’s been over 22 yrs. with them now! And I am also quite thankful for Brandon and his WEBsite…for all the Topical studies and helping us keep the *Watch*.
            I too am very happy and feel very bless to have them both…in these dark times.

            All praise and glory be to Him! Only through *the* King of Peace…can we obtain *Peace* of mind.

            Peace…to *all*…who *trust and believe*…in Him.

          • It seems defining God from our stand point is similar to an ant trying to define what man is. All we have is what God has written to us by His Word. He’s a big subject to break down and analyze, which I believe we know it as being the bible; i.e. God’s letter to His children. I guess we will just have to continue reading and studying it until He returns:-)
            Peace and Godspeed to all.

          • THe spirit is included, just do not call the spirit a PERSON.For example when you say person we think individual, When you tell someone there is more than one person in a room they are expecting two or more,wrong. Tell them so many positions or offices are represented , they can handle that. Brandon is boss of the site,admin of the site, editor on and on ,but still one BRANDON.Or one individual,then you list all names of GOD and offices positions forms etc,Peace to all

          • Agreed! And that’s precisely why I shared what I’ve been taught over the years…what I’ve been sharing all along.

            Think of the the *intellect or thought process* of the soul (self)…They are “ONE”….BUT…holding different positions/offices.

            That kept me straight and untangled all these years on that subject.

            I’ve *never* been taught to think of it as a “PERSON”…But I’ve seen that in *definitions*…like I’ve shared prior.


  6. Answered just the way that I’ve been taught over the years! Great job!

    May God continue to impart wisdom, knowledge, Spiritual discernment and understanding to you Brandon, and all those who earnestly seek His Truths.

    God bless.

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