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Welcome to our bi-weekly post Bible Question, Answer and Discussion where we provide Bible verses, answers and advice to the questions and concerns you have. During the course of the last two weeks readers have submitted their questions and today we are going to answer one of them. So please join us and feel free to chime in on the discussion in the comments section below this post.

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Question 1:

Name: Gayle
Question: I am trying to understand Revelation 20:4-7. Are these 2 separate thousand years? The way I understand it is there are 2 sets of a thousand years.

Answer:

Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Thank you for the question Gayle.

There is only a single one thousand year period which is called the Millennium. If you read Revelation 19 this will allow you to gain some perspective as to where you are on the Biblical timeline. What you will find is Christ has just returned, meaning the Tribulation of Satan is now over and we are all instantly changed into our true bodies which are our spiritual bodies that never get sick, old or die. With that said, let us read Revelation 20 together from the top of the chapter.

Revelation 20:1-2
1 “And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.”

2 “And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,”

At this point in time Christ has set foot on earth and Satan has now been bound for the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ which occurs on earth and is known as the Millennium.

Revelation 20:3 
3 “And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

This is the same one thousand year period.

Revelation 20:4 
4 “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

We are still talking about the Millennium, the same one thousand year period where Satan is bound in the bottomless pit. Notice, judgement is given to some on the first day of the Millennium.

Revelation 20:5
5 “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.”

The rest of the dead, meaning those who are spiritually dead, dead in Christ. There is no flesh during or after the Millennium. Remember in the Bible there is a lot of spiritual meaning and parables. The account of Lazarus and the Rich Man is another example of many.

Revelation 20:6 
6 “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Recall from verse 4 we had some who were judged on the first day of the Millennium. It is these individuals that verse 6 is talking about. This is the first resurrection, if you are judged here that is final and why the scripture states the second death has no power. The second death would be the death of your spirit, the first death being the death of the flesh. This second death takes place at the very end of the Millennium and is known as the White Throne Judgement. Read this entire chapter and it will lay this out for you in the final verses.

Revelation 20:7
7 “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,”

What thousand years? The Millennium we have been discussing. The time when some are judged and walk with Christ as Priests for a thousand years teaching those who never had the opportunity to hear truth.

 

 

Question 2:

Name: Meghan
Question: Can you help me understand the specific time length of tribulation. Is the 5 months locust army a time frame with a 3.5 year period that antichrist will be in earth, or will he be here for only 5 months? I understood it to be 3.5 years of false peace/one world government, then 3.5 years of false Christ but am now feeling confused about how the time was shortened to 5 months. Thank you infinitely for your site and God bless!

Additional note from Meghan:

Thanks Brandon, I was thinking since I wrote, that to clarify… is there any other indication of the shortening other than Mark 13:20 and Rev. 9.5?

Answer:

Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Meghan thank you for the question.

This subject has caused quite a bit of confusion so do not feel bad. I am going to include some additional links at the bottom of this answer to assist you with a deeper understanding of this subject.

In Daniel 9:26-27 we are told Satan confirms a covenant with many for one week. That week is the original seven year Tribulation which was shortened by Christ down to a five month period. This verse alone documents Satan is here on earth for the entire Tribulation, not just a part of it. However, Satan does not take absolute control of the world until the midst of the week. Please turn your Bible with me to,

Revelation 13:5
5 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.”

Notice, Satan is now given power over the one world government by world leaders and this enables him to continue for 42 months. This is the time when Satan will reign absolute as the antichrist. How long is 42 months? 3.5 years. Note, at verse five we are right in the middle of the Tribulation.

The first half of the Tribulation is also 3.5 years long on the original time scale. However, that seven years was shortened down to five months. So if you split five months in half you have what? Two, 2.5 month periods. So what we just read of in Revelation 13:5 will last for 2.5 months on the shortened timeline. Satan is still on earth for the entire Tribulation, five months, what was originally seven years. The actions and roles do not change, only the time allotment.

Yes there is another indication the Tribulation of Satan was shortened. Matthew 24:22 provides another witness to this fact. You already documented Revelation 9:5 as a source and if you keep reading verse 10 reiterates the same message providing emphasis for us.

There is not that much written about the shortening Meghan, but we can trust Christ Words. The following is a quote from our study titled, “As in the Days of Noah and the End Times Flood of Lies” that may help you.

Genesis 7:24
24 “And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.”

150 days, that is five months. Hold this thought for a moment, we will pick it up shortly.

Genesis 8:3
3 “And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.”

We are told in Daniel 12:10, “the wise shall understand” the times of the end. What has Christ told us concerning our Tribulation? In Matthew 24:22 He stated, “those days shall be shortened,” from the seven year Tribulation period, but He did not elaborate. Yet, Christ has ‘foretold you all things,‘ so we know we can find the answer to our question if we seek out the scriptures with our Father’s help (Mark 13:23). If we read Revelation 9:4-5 we are told those with the seal of God in their forehead (Revelation 7:3-4) cannot be harmed by Satan or his fallen angels for a five month period. How many days is five months? 150 days. How long was the flood of Noah, his tribulation? 150 days. Christ has truly foretold us all things, “as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be,(Matthew 24:37).

Additional Reading:

The Saints and Their Role in the Tribulation
Q1 – Bible Q&A 9-12-14
Q3 – Bible Q&A 3-28-14

 

 

Question 3:

Name: Gwen
Question: This question might be long. Is the Talmud the same as the Babylonian Talmud? The Jews that study the Talmud are they what you call orthodox Jews? And if the answer is yes, do they go to the western wall to pray? If they are orthodox Jews, do they still wear the little hats on their heads? I know that sounds like a strange question, but that will lead to another question at another time. I read an article on the Talmud by Michael Hoffman, which I thought was well written, but is it all true what the Talmud says? That they don’t believe in Jesus, or God and hate the gentiles/Christians? In other words they can do anything they want to the gentiles/Christians that they want and never be punished for it? Okay so I have 2 questions, Is the oral Torah the seven Noahide laws? Love your site, just cannot get enough, have read all your bible studies (more than a couple of times each).

Answer:

Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Gwen thank you for the question and we are happy to hear you are enjoying the site.

Orthodox Jews are typically those who wear the black clothing and large hats with two curls of long hair on the side of their face.

The Talmud does say some very vile things about Christ though He is not specifically mentioned, it is clear who they are talking about. They do not believe in Christ, they do not believe Him to be the Messiah.

The Talmud does promote the teaching that they are above everyone else. Even most Christians believe they are lower than those who claim to be of Judah. For the record, God loves all of His children and it is important for us to understand, “there is no respect of persons with God,” (Romans 2:11).

It is interesting to note that is it fairly difficult to find a Talmud online to read and reference, while the Bible can be found with a simple search.

The Torah is simply the first five books of the Bible, those written by Moses.

While it is good to have some basic understanding about other faiths, I would caution our readers from spending a lot of time reading other religious writings. Why do I say that? Because it takes us away from our Father’s Letter, one that has everlasting rewards.

 

 

Question 4:

Name: Driving For God
Question: Hi Brandon, I was wondering if you could help me out here. My question is about the elect of God. Do they need to be redeemed by Christ? My understanding is that they overcame Satan in the first earth age, and thereby, already had their white throne judgment; therefore, have already achieved their salvation. I realize that God’s elect are not perfect, and all of us get dirty while walking in the flesh; and therefore, need his blood to wash away our earthly sins; but as salvation goes, don’t they already have it from the first earth age? I ask this question because of what is written in Revelation 14:3-4; where there it reads that the 144,000 were redeemed [purchased] from among men and redeemed from the earth. So, is there need for Christ to buy back the elect? How can Christ purchase an elect, for He already owns them?

Additionally; as a fact, I know that the elect can “lose” their salvation by refusing to allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them if they are delivered up for a testimony against Satan. If you could, please help me out here Brandon, I would be very grateful; for I am trying to seek out an answer to these questions before I move on to any follow up questions that I might have that is in relationship to this topic.

Thanks again for all you time and hard work. You are definitely making a difference in this world.

Answer:

Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Thank you for the question and kind words Driving for God. We thank our Father for helping us share His Word.

You are correct, a few people stood with our Father and against Satan in The First Earth Age. Does that mean they were judged at that point and have everlasting life because of that action? I do not believe so and we are going to document it. Instead, it qualified them to hand down the Word of God from one generation to the next and also the Elect who God will use during the end times.

Moses brother Aaron was actually chosen by our Father to be the High Priest (Exodus 28:1, Numbers 3:10, 17:1-8, Hebrews 5:4). Yet even Aaron sinned against God even though Aaron witnessed the events of passover, the Exodus and the miracles along the way including the parting of the Red Sea. How could you possibly turn your back on our Father after seeing that? Aaron did, please turn your Bible with me to,

Exodus 32:1-4
1 “And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.”

2 “And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.”

3 “And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.”

4 “And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.”

So we see Aaron who was chosen by God and who witnessed miracles by our Father leave His side. Obviously, Aaron would need to repent for what he did otherwise he would not be fit for God.

Let us also not forget about Saul who later became Paul? He railed against the church and Christ Himself had to intervene to set Saul straight on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:1-19). These were great men of the Bible who fell along the way due to weakness of the flesh (Matthew 26:40-41). It is my opinion there is no chance that God would grant someone eternal life and still allow them to walk in the flesh.

You documented yourself if the Elect refuse the Holy Spirit that is the unpardonable sin and would require their death. This alone documents they have not been judged (Matthew 12:31, Luke 12:12, Mark 13:11). There is only one White Throne Judgement which is the final judgment and that is at the end of the Millennium (Revelation 20:11-15).

However, those who overcame in the past (during this flesh age) and those who will overcome the Tribulation of Satan will be Judged right at Christ’s return, this too documents they were not prejudged, but had to earn their Salvation through Christ in this age of flesh. Please turn your Bible with me to,

Revelation 20:6
6 “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Notice, the first resurrection, there is only one more which is the White Throne Judgement.

From the scripture already given, it is not possible for anyone to have been judged in The First Earth Age. If we are in a flesh body then it surely means we have something to prove. As you mentioned already, “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,(Romans 3:23). As a matter of fact, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us,(1 John 1:8-10).

So if we all have sinned, it means we have fallen short of God’s Glory and we need redemption and without that we have no Salvation. Yet another case in point, if we walk the earth in the flesh then it means we need the atoning blood of Christ (Acts 4:10-12). How do we obtain it? “If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved,” (Romans 10:9). If, that is very conditional and requires work on our part in the flesh, if we do not do that work, we do not obtain Salvation.

It is my opinion if we had been judged in The First Earth Age we would be drinking lemonade in Heaven with the likes of Gabriel and Michael.

 

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  1. the Proof that the elect were judged in the first earth age is in Romans Chapter 8 verses 26 to 34.
    verse 27 And He That searcheth the hearts knowth what is the mind of the Spirit, because He maketh intercession for the
    saints (elect) according to the will of God.
    verse 28 And we know that all things work together for the good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to
    His purpose.
    verse 29 For whom He did foreknow ( foreknew) He also did predestinate ( foreordained) to be conformed to the image
    of His son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    verse 30 Moreover whom He did predestinate (foreordained) them He also called; and whom He called, them He also
    justified ( judged) ; and whom He justified ( judged) them He also glorified.
    God chose His Elect in the first earth age and judged them then because they stood against satan then and God knows He can trust them
    to stand against Satan in this earth age, or they would not be one of Gods Elect, God will not set up any of his Elect to commit
    the unforgiveable sin. He knows they can cut it, because they already have in the first earth age.

  2. “To me the biggest proof they were not judged is the fact it is possible for them to lose their Salvation in this age of flesh. If you were judged by God, then it would not be possible to lose your Salvation.”

    “Think about this for a moment. If God did judge say you for example in The First Earth Age and in this age you committed the unpardonable sin you just lost your life which means God errored when He judged you in The First Earth Age.”

    Hi Brandon, haven’t commented here before, very good work keep it up. I do enjoy, and learn, from your works.

    Just one thing to point out… Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Bullinger’s note on this points out that ” The condition involves no doubt as to its being impossible. See App-118″

    • Welcome to the site Tim and thank you for the note. What you quoted above is really the main point I would stress here so thank you for pointing that out.

      As for your notes on Matthew 24:24, thank you. I doubt any of the Elect will be deceived by Satan and from the scripture it does not sound like it is possible. However, the act of the unpardonable sin is something different entirely and is found in Luke 12:10-12. To refuse the Holy Spirit would be an unforgivable sin.

      It is my opinion that no one will commit this sin, though it is possible or it would not be placed into the Word as a warning to us.

      • Brandon, I do appreciate the reply. I guess hadn’t thought about the unpardonable sin in that way before. If committing the unpardonable sin isn’t caused by deception of some sort (since Matt 24:24 says it’s impossible for satan to deceive them), what would cause an elect to commit it?

        Maybe I’m off topic, but it seems the answer to that would make a condition upon those justified in the first age.

        • You are welcome Tim. Off topic is alright in Q&A if it happens, but we just might tar and feather you for that on one of the Bible studies 🙂

          We are going back to a verse I referenced above. Open your Bible to,

          Luke 12:11
          “And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:”

          One more verse

          Luke 21:12
          “But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.”

          I think we may tend to read over the parts in bold, being brought before kings and rulers. That is pretty heavy stuff right there. Think back to a point in your life where you had to speak in front of a room of people you didn’t know. Was it difficult? For many it is and when you are speaking it is around those who are friendly toward you. Think back to a College class as an example.

          Now reading the scriptures we just have, the Elect are going to be brought before kings and rulers (Satan as well) of this world who are not exactly happy to see them rebel against their governmental system. Camera’s will be glaring at them, microphones in their faces and people reviling them. It will literally be the Election against nearly seven billion souls. That is pretty bad odds and enough to make nearly anyone break. If you read the vials of Revelation 16 it is about pressure being exerted on man to a degree.

          While the above sounds tough and it will be for those who God has delivered up, what is comforting to understand is “with God all things are possible,” (Matthew 19:26). I have no doubt in my mind the Election will overcome and make that stand for our Father. I would encourage you to read our study, “The Saints and Their Role in the Tribulation“.

          Have a good evening Tim.

          • Thank you for the link to your study. I guess I’m one of those who believe the very elect are those referred to in Matt 24:24. 7000 who have never bowed a knee to baal. Having been justified in the first age.

            I do most certainly agree that the 144,000 elect are redeemed from the earth.

            Appreciate your work, I have learned some things. Especially concerning current events. I’ll keep the tar and feathers in mind…:-)

            You have a great night as well.

          • Hi Tim,
            It’s good to see another soul in Christ, digging deep into the *meat* of God’s Truths. That must make our Father feel so warm on the inside, considering what’s happening in our world today, where…”iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” Matthew 24:12….in this End-times generation of the Fig Tree, that Antichrist will be cast out…followed by Christ Yeshua, just five months later. Very exciting times that we live in, indeed!
            I believe that God’s Elect and “very” Elect are going to be properly well prepared for the Tribulation of the Antichrist…God will interfere and use them to bring about…*His*…Will. I think of the 7000 as the *WIFE* of God/Christ…which PAM refers to…as the “Very Elect”…bearing in mind, that in Biblical numerics, the number seven (7) means: Spiritual Completeness / Perfection…so that may also be…any amount God deems it to be. That 7000 will *not* bow to Baal / Satan / Antichrist…They’ve been *JUSTIFIED* and are Predestinated, because they’ve *earned* it, in the First Earth Age….God knows that He can *COUNT* on them! They do *not* have FREEWILL in this Earth Age! In other words, God will intervene and turn them around to accomplish *His* Will.
            The 144,000 *Redeemed* from the Earth, have Limited *FREEWILL*…and are currently being *SEALED* in preparation for the *casting out* of Antichrist to this Earth. They will be taught, what is to transpire…before…the Tribulation of Antichrist…so that they would *not* be *DECEIVED*…and…they would also be prepped, to be priests in the Millennium, when Christ returns…They are the *BRIDE* of Christ…though *not*…the *only* overcomers.
            What we should keep in mind though…is that God is sealing them with the message, right now…that they are *not* to fret and worry, and *not* to even premeditate their words, when called upon to *give* account of themselves, for the Holy Spirit will place the words within their mouths…and *give*…is the words to say, just at the…RIGHT* time.
            I truly appreciated your contribution, Jim…as I do…all those of my dear brothers and sisters on WEB…where Brandon do a great job, in God’s service.
            We learn so much, and stay in the Watch from a Christian perspective on WEB and also learn from one another in this family of Christ!
            What a blessing! Praises and Glory be to our Loving Heavenly Father, in Christ Yeshua’s Precious Holy Name!
            Peace.

          • Thank you, EOG. It seems we have a similar education 🙂 I did neglect to mention that Ezekiel 44 gives a little more rounding out on the two types of priests who serve during the millennium. Never been too good at this Bible study stuff, as in writing them out. But very much enjoy reading the very well written, such as Brandon’s…I just kinda throw a seed out here and there…

          • To God be the Glory, Tim!
            Like PAM used to say…God’s Word is Pregnant. It just continues to grow and mature inside earnest seekers…and you are doing just fine! We are *all* students of God’s Truths…we learn together, and share what we learn and understand with intelligence…with others!
            To whom much is given, much is expected. Luke 12:48…and Brandon does a great job, laying out those Topical Studies and then some…in God’s Service!
            We thank God, for His bountiful blessings!

          • Good evening EyeonGod. I realize we have hashed this out in the past, but for our other readers understanding I do not agree with this and would direct those readers to a previous comment I made on this subject and a similar one as well which are linked below. Thank you.

            https://worldeventsandthebible.com/2014/10/bible-question-answer-and-discussion-11#comment-1642245940

            https://worldeventsandthebible.com/2014/10/bible-question-answer-and-discussion-11#comment-1631432236

          • It’s all good, Brandon!

            Matthew 18:20 “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

            As earnest seekers, students of God’s Word…we have *one* common goal…we are of *one* mind on this>>>>>getting the *TRUTH* as God meant it to be.
            Different perspectives…help us get there…as we seek God’s Guidance, in helping us be *sure*!
            Thanks for all you do, in God’s service on WEB!

          • You are very welcome and have a good day.

  3. Brandon, thank you for your time on this topic; much appreciated. You made some good points here that I’ll need some time to digest and mull over. I did notice that you disagree that the elect were already judged in the world that was, so what is your thinking on what is written in Romans 8:30? I was taught through PAM that when you take the word justified back to its prime in the Strong’s, it translates as to be judged. I guess the question is judged [justified] in what? Well, it is written that God does not want our burnt offerings; he wants our love. The elect, therefore, where not found lacking in love for our Father, and He thereby justified them because of their true love to Him. We also know at this justifying occurred as Satan was getting is death sentence as well. So there was a time of judgment in the first earth age. Additionally, if the elect were not already judged and found innocent of betrayal to God when it comes to loving Him and not Satan; I ask, would it be right that God could interfere with the free will of his elect if they were not already overcomers? If they had not overcome and God interfered with their freewill, (such as he did with Saul.), how would God be able to judge them fairly, for if they were to fall short of salvation, they would be able to rail an accusation against God saying “Hey God, you interfered in my life and caused me to fall short of redemption.” Wouldn’t they be correct? Isn’t that why God doesn’t interfere in people’s life unless they pray for His intercession?
    .
    Brandon, that is all that I want to say right now, for I still have some thinking and studying to do on this topic of discussion; and I do understand that some of what you wrote is your opinion; which is some of what I was asking for, and which I appreciate and value greatly. So again,
    thank you.

    • You are welcome Driving For God.

      Romans 8:30 discusses predestination and it is well documented God’s Election are those who were predestined from The First Earth Age. However, were they judged and granted Salvation in this age of flesh? I do not believe so as I already outlined. You can break the word “justified” back, but the prime has nothing to do with the word “justified”. The word right before the prime does have some meaning which is as follows;

      “Probably from G1166; right (as self evident), that is, justice (the principle, a decision, or its execution): – judgment, punish, vengeance.”

      As you can see there are several different meanings and “judged” is not one of them. I really have to caution our readers on picking and choosing which words to insert in the scriptures. If we are not careful we can end up altering the scriptures to a preconceived notion and distorting the true meaning.

      Nowhere in the scriptures does it say there was a judgement of God’s children in The First Earth Age. Satan was judged, absolutely. But was anyone else? I do not believe we can document that. However, God did select an Election. To me the biggest proof they were not judged is the fact it is possible for them to lose their Salvation in this age of flesh. If you were judged by God, then it would not be possible to lose your Salvation.

      Think about this for a moment. If God did judge say you for example in The First Earth Age and in this age you committed the unpardonable sin you just lost your life which means God errored when He judged you in The First Earth Age. That would mean God made a mistake. It is not possible for Him to make a mistake, He is perfect in all His ways (2 Samuel 22:31).

      God can interfere in the life of the Elect because He is God. Our Father would not interfere in anyone’s life to cause a negative, especially for the Elect. He will intervene in their life to make a positive which in the end would mean the expansion of His Kingdom through them.

      Keeping digging into the Word.

    • Just chiming in a bit on Romans 8:30…DFG and Brandon…specifically the words: “predestinate” and “justified” as it is used in that Scripture.
      I pretty much understand and have been taught over the years, the same way as you have on that subject, DFG. It’s certainly good, to have Brandon’s position, in helping us to be sure…when seeking or revisiting any given topic. He provides great Scriptural documentation in his studies on WEB, so we can check things out in God’s Word, for ourselves. What a blessing to us!
      It is to my understanding, that God is giving us a little insight here in this verse, as to *why and how*…He “predestinate”…a person…so obviously…a “Judgment” was made in the First Earth Age…for them to be “justified”…In other words, the time of that judging was in the First Earth Age, at the overthrow of Satan, before the foundations of this flesh age were formed…when this *Judgment* was made.
      When God predestinated a person, He also “called” that person. However, for the sake of the young in Christ, we should note, that there *is*…a difference between “called” and “chosen”; for many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 24:13.
      I think of this as the difference between the *Wife…and…the Bride* of Christ…the difference between the *Prodigal son…and…the son who remained at His father’s side the whole time.
      When God called one to do His work, He also judged [justified] that person!
      WHEN was the selection of the “chosen”?
      In the First Earth Age.
      WHY?
      Because they’ve earned it, and God knows that He can *COUNT on them*…as evident in the Holy Spirit inspired work of Paul, in the N.T…that same persecutor of CHRISTIANS… Saul, whose name was changed to Paul.
      These “justified” ones, are the Elect / Zadok / Just…of God, in this *Second Earth Age*!
      “Justified”: Strong’s G1344 δικαιόω dikaióō, dik-ah-yo’-o; from G1342; to render (i.e. show or regard as) just or innocent:—free,
      justify(-ier), be righteous.

      When we are *justified*…it does *NOT* mean that we do *NOT* pay for our sins in the flesh…but when you have been justified….the Holy Spirit can interfere in the Elect’s lives and cause them to make a *CHANGE* in the direction that they are going. Paul’s mind was set on killing Christians, and God’s Will was to make him the teacher and writer for Him of His Holy Word. God interfered with Paul’s life on the road to Damascus, and struck him down blind, and when Paul then listened to God’s instructions, the Spirit of God changed Paul’s direction to glorify God, and Christ Yeshua.
      May God / Christ…continue to bless, lead, guide, direct, and touch…all those who earnestly seek, teach and share His Truths!

      • Thank you for chiming in Eye. I was thinking the exact same thing as you about whether or not there was a difference between called and chosen. I know in Genesis 21:12 it is written “…for in Isaac shall thy seed be *called*.” Then as you have so wisely pointed out Mt. 22:14 “For many are *called*, but few are *chosen*.” I also noticed that in Romans 8:28-30 only “called” is used; however, in Ephesians 1:4, only “chosen” is used as the identifying word for the elect. I find this interesting; like it is done for a direct identifying purpose for us; otherwise, why interchange these two words in identifying the elect? And as you pointed out Eye, there is a difference. In the Strong’s, chosen: H997 by implication reads “to try”. And after a trial there is always a judgment made. As for being “called”, G2822 reads invited, i.e. appointed or (spec.) a saint:- called. After searching these two terms, I would be remiss not to search out what election is defined as: G1589 from G1586; (divine) selection (abstr. or concr.):-*chosen*, election. G1588 is the word elect which means select; by impl. favorite:-*chosen*, elect.

        So Eye, what I’m trying to figure out is whether Brandon is correct by saying that the elect were not overcomer’s in the first earth age.
        .
        With that being said, I will depart with this scripture and follow up comment:
        Romans 9:11: “(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to [election] might stand, not of works, but of him that [calleth];)”
        Esau was called and chosen; i.e. predestined from the first earth, as well as Jacob. The only difference is Esau is to bring about God’s negative part of his plan, while Jacob brings about God’s positive part; i.e. the salvation of his children. It seems all of these words are defined by using all these “same” words.
        Good to hear from you Eye, your input is much appreciated, and God Bless.

        • DFG good afternoon. To be clear I did not say the Elect were not overcomers in The First Earth Age. We have several studies that document they DID overcome. Let’s make sure we all stay focused on the subject. The question was, did the Elect earn Salvation in The First Earth Age. Salvation and being called and chosen are totally separate things. I will stand by my point that just because someone has been chosen does not mean they already earned Salvation. Re-read the answer to the question and the scriptures and of course always ask our Father to lead.

          • Sorry Brandon, I was thinking overcoming Satan is how we attain salvation; however, I neglected to remember that we also need Christ as well in this earth age to achieve salvation in these flesh bodies.

          • You are doing fine DFG, no need to apologize. We are all learning here and I hope having a good time doing it.

          • ‘Come now, let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.’ Isaiah 1:18
            For some reason, this verse came to mind….I learn so much from this site, and though we may have slightly different interpretations from time to time, we all learn from each other. And we are all united by our Father YHVH, and his son, our future King. May our God richly bless you all.

          • Nice contribution Jack, thank you.

        • Thanks for your response DFG! Great hearing from you!
          Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
          You’ve already done an awesome job in giving the Strong’s definition for:
          “chosen”…”elect” and “election”….

          I like to look at the difference as…many are *CALLED* to Salvation, but few…are *CHOSEN*…one being “INVITED”…the BRIDE of Christ…while the other, the *CHOSEN*…was “SELECTED”…being the WIFE.
          In other words…I believe that the “SELECTED / WIFE”…earned it in the First Earth Age…whereas…the “INVITED / BRIDE” were “CALLED” in *this Earth Age…the Second…this dispensation of GRACE….with *both* being Firstfruits, but in separate World Ages / Earth and Heaven Ages!
          I believe that Brandon and I have pretty much hashed this out…and have given our positions on this before, and he may differ…but I’ll include some Scriptures below, which in part, led me to my position on this, but I’ll still keep an *open* mind on this subject.
          We have each presented Biblical documentation as to how we got to our positions on this topic, elsewhere on this WEB site, which I can’t recall for now…but will be happy to search it out, should we need to.
          Revelation 14:3-4 “And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts [living creatures], and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were *REDEEMED* from the earth. 4 “These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were *REDEEMED* from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”

          *****This is the 144,000 that are finally *REDEEMED* from the earth…they have been “PURCHASED” from this Second Earth Age with the Blood of the Lamb.
          The “SELECT” of God are the Firstfruits in the age that was…that First Earth Age that ended with the flood of Genesis 1:2. The “SELECT” will also stand for Christ in this Earth Age…however, the 144,000 sealed of God, the “INVITED” “REDEEMED”… are overcomers only from and in this Earth Age of the *flesh*. They are not the only overcomers, but they are the Firstfruits to God, and the Lamb, Christ.
          Also reference Revelation 7:4 “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Is’-ra-el.”

          *****This seal has nothing to do with going to Heaven; but it is the full knowledge of How to stand *AGAINST* the wiles of Satan the Antichrist. This has to take place before the “son of perdition” [Satan] sets his feet on this earth as the Antichrist.
          We’ll keep plowing away, at God’s Truths…as we search them out in His Word! WEB helps us get there, with Brandon in God’s Service.
          Blessed are those who earnestly seek, asking God for guidance!
          Thank you for sharing!

  4. To verify, the 3rd heaven & earth age begins when the Millennium expires?

    • Shortly after it expires yes. In this order.

      Millennium (1000 year reign of Christ)

      End of the Millennium

      Satan is loosened from the “bottomless pit” and surrounds Jerusalem with a very large group of people.

      The White Throne Judgement

      The 3rd Earth and Heaven Age begin where God Himself will dwell with men.

      You see Satan and all the wicked have to be removed before God will allow His presence to be before us. God is the very definition of Holy. He will not place Himself in with sin and unrighteousness. This is why we have the short period of time after the Millennium where Satan is loosened and the wicked are destroyed. When that is complete and it will not take long then the 3rd age begins which means God will dwell with man. How exciting!

      • Brandon, I was following along and agreed with you as to what would transpire at the END of the Millennium…until I got to this part of your response>>>>
        “Satan is loosened from the “bottomless pit” and surrounds Jerusalem with a very large group of people.”
        “surrounds Jerusalem” ONLY????
        I should also add, that I agree with you …on the part which you refer to as a “gap”…between the End of the Millennium / Thousand year reign with Christ…and the Third Earth / Heaven Age! However, it is to my understanding, that it is not only in…”Jerusalem” during that “gap”…when Satan is “loosened” that is covered…but…as it is written in the following verses>>>>

        Revelation 20:8 “And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the *FOUR QUARTERS OF THE EARTH, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

        ******”Gog and Magog”…put for “East to the West” or all over here. We see Satan will cover the Earth again for the deception of all mankind…not just Jerusalem. There will still be those that will follow Satan, even then…for which I am baffled to learn…after being taught discipline, without any fleshly lusts, desires, hangups, and Satan’s whisperings, throughout the Millennium…for we would be in our spiritual bodies, and Satan well be shut up, with a *seal* set upon him in the bottomless pit. Rev. 20:2-3.

        Revelation 20:9 “And they went up on the *BREADTH OF THE EARTH,* and compassed the camp of the saints about, *AND* the beloved city: and
        fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

        ******This beloved city is JERUSALEM, where Christ Yeshua and His Temple will be, at the close of the Millennium age. It is here where the Glory of God is, and God’s fire from Heaven will come down to devour Satan and all his followers.
        This is the “Great day of God” when the *FULL* Godhead comes to dwell on earth with His saints forever. This is different from the “Day of the Lord”, which was 1,000 years earlier, that took place at the *Seventh Trump*…when Christ came and set up His Kingdom for the Millennium.

        Did I miss something there?

        • Good afternoon Eye. I think we are on the same page here.

          In my response I was trying to be brief. I did not say “only” though, you added that to what I said.

          • Thanks for your response, Brandon…truly appreciated.
            What you’ve stated, I’ve put in quotation marks…the word ONLY was merely a short form question on my part…wasn’t meant to be a part of what you’ve stated.
            I’m glad to know that we are on the same page! But for the sake of the young in Christ, I sought clarity…that’s all.
            Thanks again for getting back to me on this subject, it was good hearing from you.

          • No problem and you as well Eye hope all is well.

    • Thank you Brandon.

  5. revelation 20:7 when the millennium is EXPIRED satan is loosed,what time period is this?

    • Thank you for the comment Tommy. It is the end of the Millennium.

      Let us back up for a moment… Our current time period is the age of flesh. At Christ’s return that marks the start of the Millennium, the One Thousand Year reign of Jesus Christ. At the end of that period…

      Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

      Now what is the point of the Millennium? For the Elect of God to reign with Christ and help to teach those who never had the opportunity to learn truth in this age of flesh. Our Father will NOT allow anyone un-tested to enter the Millennium. This is why Satan is loosed out of his prison. To temp the people. Keep reading the chapter to see what happens… We have a study that covers some of this titled, “Satan’s Sin“.

      Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

      Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

      Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

      Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

      Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

      Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

      Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

      Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

      Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

      • I thought expired was the same as end. Thanks

        • I think the question is this – – when the millennium has expired (ended), does the 3rd heaven and earth age begin?

          • Becky I see.

            Does the third Heaven and Earth age start immediately after the Millennium? No. Shortly after? Yes. How long in between we do not know, but we do know it will be a short period of time.

            After the Millennium, Satan is loosened to cause the people to go astray. A multitude of people actually follow Satan and surround Jerusalem and when that happens our Father Himself snuffs them out. Then we have the White Throne Judgement and

            Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

            Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

            Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

            Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

            Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

            Everything I said can be documented in the scriptures from my previous comment (Revelation 20). I ask that everyone take the time to read that chapter and these verses above in context so they can understand for themselves. If something is still not clear, please let me know.

          • Thanks for the answers,I did not know the short period of time was between the second and third heaven and earth age.

          • Tommy, there is no gap if that is what you are thinking. Everything cannot happen simultaneously, It takes a little time to complete the whole process. It will flow from one thing to another. You might say the 2nd/millennium age ends when the lake of fire ends and the 3rd age begins immediately following, although it will take time to set up the new temple and everything else that needs to be done 3rd age. God does not say how long the entire process will take. I imagine it will go quite fast, but you won’t know it because our memories will be blotted out at the same time.

          • That you for the comment, but that is not what the scriptures say Smokey. This seems extremely clear to me.

            Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

            This means there definitely is a gap between the Millennium and the 3rd Heaven age (Eternity).

          • Time does not expire when the thousand year are up, it continues on, there is no gap. When the thousand years are up Satan will be loosed for a short time, all the rudiments will burn in the lake of fire, then the 3rd age will begin. God does not need to sit around and think about it for a while, one, two, three, over and done we are in the eternity. Satan being loosed concludes the millennium. One thousand years and at the end of it Satan burns. Not 999 years and 364 days, but a full 1000 years goes by then Satan burns. After Satan burns (and all the rest that go with him) that is the end of the 2nd earth age, the 2nd age includes the millennium. The 2nd age and the millennium are both part of the same thing. God does not say there is a pause or a gap, one ends and the other starts.

            “when the thousand years are expired”….this is when it happens, it says nothing about a gap, Satan being loosed is part of the 2nd age. It is not 1st age, 2nd age, millennium, gap, 3rd age. The millennium is part of the 2nd age. The 2nd age goes until the 3rd age begins.

          • Your first several sentences are correct and exactly what I said. Then you said, “Satan being loosed concludes the millennium.” Which is the opposite of your first few sentences. The scripture is clear Smokey. Read it.

            Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

            1,000 years will pass and end. THEN Satan is loosened out of his prison. Satan is not loosened during the Millennium, but after it.

            There may be some misunderstanding between what you read and what you are posting. You seem to understand a thousand years go by and then Satan is loosened, but then you back track.

            The entire Millennium is a part of the 2nd age as I outlined before. The 3rd age does not begin until after the White Throne Judgement. Please go back and read my previous comments.

      • I’ll add this verse as something to consider when Satan is loosed for a little season.
        Rev_17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

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