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Question 1:

Name: Enni
Question: Hey, my question is who are the two witnesses?! Are they the two churches? Philadelphia & Smyrna ..
Thank You


Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Thank you for the question Enni. Pryce also had a similar question that we will include here, thank you as well.

The Bible does not clearly document who the Two Witnesses are, but I do believe we have some clues (account of the Two Witnesses during the end times can be documented: Revelation 11:3-12).

Hebrews 9:27 tells us “it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” So we know for certain a man can only die in the flesh once. From Revelation 11:7-12 we know the Two Witnesses will be killed by Satan right at the end of the Tribulation. So we also know the Two Witnesses will either be men on the earth today which I doubt or they could be Enoch and Elijah who never died in the flesh (Genesis 5:21-24, 2 Kings 2:11). Since the Bible does not clearly state one way or the other, these are only my thoughts. I will say, while it would seem likely for Moses to be one of the Two Witnesses as he was the Law Giver, Moses died in the flesh as the Bible documents.

I do believe we have a very good idea who one of the Two Witnesses will be. Please turn your Bible with me to,

Malachi 4:5 
5 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:”

Who will send Elijah? Our Father in Heaven.

The Great Day of the Lord is His return which is after the appearance and lying wonders of Satan who will claim to be Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:8-9). If you read the first four verses of Malachi it is clear the time element is just before Christ’s return and is in line with 2 Peter 3:10 with respect to the explanation of the wicked elements being destroyed by fire.

When we factor it all in, it seems reasonable to believe that Elijah will be one of the Two Witnesses.

Additional Reading:
Bible Q&A – 3-28-2014



Question 2:

Name: Ginny
Question: Hello Brandon: I would appreciate your help in clearing up Elohiym H430, Nephilim H5303, and Rephaim H7497. The Strong’s Concordance is not too clear. I believe they are compound words, such as Elohiym, Creator and His angels.

Thank you, Brandon


Name: WEB Staff
Answer: Thank you for the question Ginny.

I think you are on the right track here. Let us look up the words together.

First, “Elohiym” which is Strong’s word 430 in the Hebrew (hence the H in front of the 430 below for those unfamiliar with the Strong’s).

Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: – angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

We would agree with you that the best fit here is God in the plural sense where He is including the Angels when referring to Himself.

Next, let us look at the word “Nephilim” which is 5303 in the Strong’s.

נְפִל    נְפִיל
nephı̂yl    nephil
nef-eel’, nef-eel’
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: – giant.

We are talking about the giants who were the offspring of the fallen angels or the angels who became fallen when they “left their own habitation” which is Heaven and came to earth. Due to the decision they made they “hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day,” which is the Judgement of our Father (Jude 1:6).

Finally, the word “Rephaim“.

רָפָה    רָפָא
râphâ’    râphâh
raw-faw’, raw-faw’
From H7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant: – giant, Rapha, Rephaim (-s). See also H1051.

The “Rephaim” were also giants under another name. The following is an excerpt from our study, “As In The Days Of Noah And The End Times Flood Of Lies“;

“The giants are also known as Rephaim, Emim (Genesis 14:5), Anakim (Numbers 13:22;33), Horim, Zamzummim (Deuteronomy 2:10) and Avim (Deuteronomy 2:20-21).”



Question 3:

Name: Anthony
Question: Brandon, can you cover as to how we can be sure that the time of tribulation is reduced to five months? Is it based on the time of the locust?


Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Thank you for the question Anthony.

There really is not a lot written about the time of the Tribulation, especially the shortening of it. Please turn your Bible with me to,

Matthew 24:22
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

What days? The days of the Tribulation which is the subject of Matthew 24. Christ, our Lord and Savior shortened the time of the Tribulation otherwise no flesh would be saved. That is how successful Satan will be with his deception during the Tribulation.

Now right here, right from the mouth of Christ we have been told the days of the Tribulation were shortened and Christ has proclaimed, “I have foretold you all things,(Mark 13:23).

So we know there is an answer in scripture. We are going to turn to Revelation 9 in a moment, but before we do it is important to understand Revelation 9 covers more than just the Fifth Trumpet, it also covers the Sixth and Seventh Trumpets if we pay close attention. In Revelation 9:6 it reads, “And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.” Where else have we read about men not dying during that time?

Revelation 6:15-17
15 “And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;”

16 “And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:”

As Revelation 9:6 documents, in those days, the days of the Tribulation, just before the appearance of Christ men will seek death but they will not find it. One can only imagine the burning feeling they will have when they realize the True Christ is only now appearing and they were deceived by Satan who only claimed to be Christ.

It is important to understand we are talking about the Tribulation in Revelation 9 and that is why I am stressing the point. Now turn with me to,

Revelation 9:4
4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.”

It was commanded to who? To the Locust Army, Satan’s angels in part that they should not harm those with the Seal of God. Those who were Sealed as documented in Revelation 7.

You will learn in Chapter 3 of our study, “The Timeline of the Tribulation” the Sealing while it has been taking place for years is not yet completed and when it is then and only then will the Seven Trumpets begin to sound. This will be a really good Chapter to dial in some of these events for us. Let us continue.

Revelation 9:5 
5 “And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.”

There we have it again. Those with the Seal of God cannot be harmed by Satan and his wicked angels and we know from Luke 21:18, “But there shall not an hair of your head perish” during the Tribulation. So Revelation 9 is actually providing a double witness to that fact.

What else has Christ told us?

Matthew 24:37
37 “But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”

Christ shortened the time of the Tribulation and He has also, “foretold us all things“. I believe Christ is directing us to turn to the book of Genesis, as Noah experienced a flood in his time, we are going to experience a flood in our time. Satan’s flood of lies and deception during the Tribulation.

How long did the flood waters prevail upon the earth during Noah’s flood?

Genesis 7:24
24 “And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

What happened at the end of the one hundred of fifty days?

Genesis 8:3
3 “And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.”

The flood waters of Noah’s time were abated, they ceased after one hundred and fifty days, that is five months Anthony and I believe Satan’s flood will be abated after five months as well.



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  1. I just love question three.
    I can’t help but marvel over how God’s Word is so complete when we search out it’s answers. Indeed, God has foretold us all things we need to know as to how not to be deceived by Satan. Truly, truly, just how many people in the world today do you think have sealed in their foreheads this information that the tribulation has been shortened to a five month period, and their is a double witness in the Bible to confirm this prophesied truth? I would say, practically no one! Most Christians think it will be 7 or 3 1/2 yrs, and sadder yet, many think that their going to be gone; i.e. rapture’d out of here.

  2. Hi Brandon — I had to chime in on documenting the tribulation and its length. See:

    Daniel 9:27 King James Version (KJV)

    27 “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst
    of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and
    for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even
    until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the

    This verse speaks of a “week” of years, or 7 years. Satan, as Antichrist, in the middle of these 7 years (or at the 3.5 year mark), will “cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.” This means he will deceive the multitudes — leading them to believe HE is Christ, causing the the people to stop worshiping and praying to the real Christ. How will he do this? In my opinion, I believe this deception will be accomplished by his supernatural arrival, appearance, or de facto “coming” to this earth as documented in:

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 King James Version (KJV)

    9 “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,”

    How does the antichrist appear at his coming? With ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS.

    II Thess 2:9 describes Antichrist’s appearance on this earth. His lying wonders (supernatural) and deception he brings will cause people to worship him, and to stop worshiping the true Father.
    According to Dan 9:27, this occurs IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK, when he causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease.

    So what happens at the beginning of the “week” of years? Satan :”shall confirm the covenant with many”. Does this mean he will be on this earth at this time? I believe “the covenant he makes with many” means he will simply be fulfilling his agreement/promise to his minions — he promised them the world, (which is his to give at this point), and he will give it to them via the one world order. Remember, however, this first beast (one world order) will receive a deadly wound, which will be healed at Antichrist’s appearance. (See Rev. 13 for documentation.) The first beast mentioned speaks of the one world system, and what power it will have, (which Satan (spiritually) has lended to it.) The second beast mentioned is no other than Satan himself in the role of Antichrist.

    There is more documentation regarding Satan’s reign as Antichrist in the 2nd half of this 7 year period, beginning at the 3.5 year mark. See Daniel 12:10-12:

    10 “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do
    wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall
    understand. (The wicked will be doing wickedly throughout the 7 year period.)

    11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the
    abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two
    hundred and ninety days.”

    Here we see what happens at the 3.5 year mark into the 7 year period. Satan deceives the people into ceasing worship of the true God, as they will be deceived into believing HE is the true God. In the end, he takes the seat of God, shewing himself that he IS God, as documented in II Thess 2:4. This is the abomination of desolation mentioned in Daniel 9:27. What of these 1290 days? 1290 days equals approximately 3.53+ of our years (1290 days / 365 days/year.) So essentially, this verse tells us Satan as Antichrist will be convincing people he is “God” for 3.5 years. (The second half of Daniel’s “week” of 7 years.)

    12 “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.”

    1335 days = approximately 3.65 of our years. (1335 days / 365 days/year) This is how long we must resist temptation and wait for the real Christ, which also documents (in my opinion) that Antichrist will not be arriving on the scene until the middle of the 7 year tribulation period, not at the beginning. Otherwise, this time would be much longer (i.e. it would equal closer to 7 years)

    Rev. 9:5 speaks of the locust army being limited to a 5 month period in which they can torment those who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads. Who comprises the locust army? It is composed of both devil-worshiping humans and fallen angels. Our father did say he would shorten the time of tribulation for the elect’s sake, and I do believe this verse confirms that. However, (and here is where I differ in opinion with Brandon), I believe Satan as Antichrist does not arrive until the middle of the 7 year tribulation period. In this case, using simple mathematical ratios — 7 years is to 3.5 years as 5 months is to 2.5 months. Using this equation, then, one can deduct that Satan’s actual arrival in the role of Antichrist will not occur until 2.5 months into the 5 month tribulation period.

  3. the bible does say that Moses did die. but it was God that buried Moses not man. Why did Moses appear on the mount of transfiguration with Elijah? the Law Giver and the Prophet. JUDE verse 9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The LORD rebuke thee. God took Moses and that’s why He would not let man bury Moses. He was transfigured just like Elijah was. for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. As far as Enoch, REVELATION chapter 2 verse 12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith He Which hath the sharp sword with two edges; verse 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan`s seat is; and thou holdest fast My name, and hast not denied My faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was My faithful martyr,who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. Antipas means anti father but not our Father, there father Satan. So Antipas could be Enoch, who is against antichrist. Enoch was a faithful servant of God who was taken by God. No one knows for sure. we will have to wait and see.

    • Servant OfGod;

      You are mistaken. God very clearly stated Moses would die, and that he did die and was buried and the people mourned for him. It is all very clearly written. There is no question about it, Moses died in the flesh.

      God did not allow the people to bury Moses, God did that Himself. That does not mean Moses did not die. Read the verses below, I assure you, God did not bury Moses alive.

      God Telling Moses he is going to die

      Deu_31:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.

      Deu_31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them,
      and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

      Deu_33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.

      God saying Moses did die and was buried.

      Deu 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

      Deu 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

      Deu 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

      The people mourning for Moses after he wandered off to die and was buried by God.

      Deu 34:8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.

      • Yes I know it says that Moses died. Tell me why Moses was on the mount of transfiguration. because he was transfigured. Just like Elijah was. why do you think God said He buried him and would not let man? It was better for God to say that Moses was going to die then to say he was going to be transfigured. No one would under stand what that meant. Why did Satan and Michael the Archangel dispute about the body of Moses in heaven if he was buried? That is the deeper truth of the matter.

      • We can all have opinions here, but you are making assumptions that contradict the Bible. Student of God pointed out God stated prior to Moses death he would die. Then explained in several places in the Bible Moses did die. The Bible not only says God buried Moses, but said where.

        Deu 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

        Deu 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

        The scriptures make it very clear, not only did he die, but our Father buried him.

        The only reasonable explanation for God burying Moses to begin with was Moses did a lot of great work for our Father. God taking that duty shows great respect for Moses. I think the deeper reason here is the people would have stayed mourning for him at his grave site, but now I am guessing.

        Think again about your theory here. As I pointed out in the QA from scripture men are only appointed to die once. Moses died, plain and simple so for Moses to be one of the Two Witnesses he would need to die a second time. This entire theory really contradicts the Bible and we know there are no contradictions.

        We do know for certain Enoch and Elijah did not die in the flesh and we know for certain men are all to die in the flesh once. Enoch and Elijah still have a duty to fill, to die in the flesh.

        I do appreciate you sharing though.

      • I know about Hebrews 9 V 27 why don`t you answer my questions. why was Moses on the mount of transfiguration? God does every thing for a reason. there are always deeper truths. it`s weather you can see them or not.

      • Servant I cannot answer your question of why Moses was on the mount of transfiguration, and neither can you. God never told us why, only that he was there. Also you stated Moses and Elijah were transfigured, they were not. Only Christ was transfigured, Moses and Elijah were there with Christ but they remained in their permanent spiritual bodies, there was no change of bodies that happened to either of them. The transfiguration only happened to Christ, no where does it say all three were transfigured.

        I think you are confusing appearing on the mount of transfiguration with being transfigured, they are not the same thing. You might make the argument Elijah was transfigured centuries before since he never died when God took him. That may or may not be true but God never called it that, God did not explain how He did it. Everyone has a change of body when they die like Moses did and God never calls that a transfiguration. The only time God uses the word transfigured is when Christ was transfigured, anything else is an assumption. In this case that assumption seems to be leading you to a belief there is a deeper meaning. There may very well be a deeper meaning of why Moses was with Christ on the mount of transfiguration, I am not disputing that, but Moses being transfigured has nothing to do with it, because he was not transfigured. If you are going to make an argument for something, you cannot base it on something that is not true.

        All I am doing is trying to get you to see a basic truth so you can more clearly assess any deeper truth that may be there. as you said, I did not come here to argue either so this is my last comment on the subject. I wish you well in your studies.

      • Good discussion here. In the end, we always have to take scripture as our proof. After all it is the inspired Word of God.

        I did want to point out there is no such thing as a “transfigured body”. There are not three different kinds of bodies, there are only two. There is a spiritual body and a flesh body. Paul documents this for us in 1 Corinthians 15:35-55. “Transfigure” is simple the state change from flesh to spiritual body and nothing more.

      • Yes you are right there are only two bodies. flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. now lets talk about dimensions, when Jesus returned he was in a transfigured body in our dimension He did not return to flesh. We are made in the angels image, we ate manna, angels food. So when the two witnesses show up they will be in transfigured bodies or spiritual bodies in this dimension. make sense? I study with shepherds chapel and have been for over 20 years. and it was PAM opinion that Moses was taken by god. and over the years he has made many good arguments to that fact. on one can prove it. and he would tell you that it was his opinion only. In my opinion there was no one that had a closer walk in the flesh with our heavenly Father then PAM. and no one that understood Gods word better then PAM. and I am not putting any one down by that statement. just my opinion. We can all learn from each other when we have good discussions on this forum. thanks to all who have replied.

      • When the Two Witnesses show up they will no doubt be in the flesh. Revelation 11:7 clearly states the Two Witnesses will be killed. Flesh dies, spirit does not, only our Father can kill that.

        You have stated your opinion while myself and others have brought forward scriptural documentation stating otherwise. The fact that you have been studying with this or that teacher is irrelevant and so is the fact that you have been studying for 20 years. Those points do not validate your position and they only show how weak it is since you have to resort to that.

        I sincerely appreciate the discussion. Our rules are very simple treat each other with respect and validate your position with God’s Word, not some other man’s opinions and thoughts. Yours. We are World Events and the Bible, not another church or denomination and I appreciate your understanding of that.

      • Well what about the fallen angels or Nephilim they were not flesh and yet they were killed.

      • The fallen angels have not died, reference Question 2 where we documented that.

        The Nephilim were giants and they did die as they were flesh creatures (also Question 2).

      • yes I know. the giants are the off spring of the fallen angels, that’s what Noah`s flood was about to get rid of the giants. but what happened to the fallen angels?

      • The answer to ” what happened to the fallen angels?”

        Jude 1:6 ” And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own
        habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto
        the judgment of the great day.”

        The fallen angels are not dead, Judegment day is not here yet.

      • Agreed, Brandon. The two witnesses will undoubtedly be flesh men that Satan will have to get some blood out of in order for them to die in Jerusalem and lie in the street there 3 1/2 days.

      • Brandon here are some scriptures to consider. after more research. Matthew 17 verse 2 And was transfigured before them; and His face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. verse 3 And behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him. So Moses and Elias was standing before Jesus. now in Revelation 11 verse 3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. verse 4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the god of the EARTH. Moses and Elias are the only two that stood before Jesus. God is telling us who the two witnesses are. Mark 13 verse 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. you just have to dig it out. thanks Brandon. that is why Moses and Elisa appeared on the mount of transfiguration. God never leaves us wanting.

      • Servant of God, you have your mind made up and that is okay. You are only looking at this the way you believe and that is your right to do so. You are not going to convince me though, God’s Word was pretty clear. Have a good day.

      • Servant, I am confused here, you say Moses died then you imply it is not true, God only said that because He did not want to explain transfiguration. In other words Moses did not really die, God lied to us about it, or maybe lied is too strong of a word but I can’t think of another right now. You are saying God said Moses died but didn’t mean it and you don’t believe it. Do I have that right? Just what is it you are trying to say?

        You will have to ask God why Moses was on the mount of transfiguration, He did not explain that part to me. Maybe because Moses was the law giver in God’s word, while Elijah was the spiritual half and together they covered the whole lot. God chooses whom soever He will. I think God said exactly what He meant. Your deeper truth of the matter makes no sense to me. It sounds a bit like the rapture people trying to make something out of what is not there, change the Word into what they want instead of just believing what God said.

        I am not going to try to stretch the word to fit my my thoughts, I prefer to conform my thoughts to fit God’s word. God said Moses died, and I believe Him. If God said it, then it is true.

        If Moses was one of the two witnesses then Moses would have to die twice and God said each person would die one time only. God said He would send Elijah and Elijah never died in the flesh, so Elijah is a fairly safe bet. Enoch warned the people about the fallen angels and Enoch never died in the flesh. It makes sense Enoch would return and continue what he was doing and die in the flesh along with Elijah.

        The two witnesses are not named, we can only make an educated guess. I understand it can be difficult to shake off a belief you have had for a long time, however you can make a better educated guess if you do not hold onto beliefs that have no foundation and are not true.

      • Did you read my last post? I said I know the bible said that Moses died. and I did not say that he did not die. I said that he was transfigured and was on the mount of transfiguration with Elijah. So both of them were transfigured right? so Elijah can come back as one of the two witnesses in a transfigured body but Moses can`t ? God will send who ever he wants. Did Jesus die and then come back in his transfigured body? you need to take the blinders off to see clearly. I am just trying to get you to see the deeper meanings of what happened to Moses. God said that Moses would not see the promise land. Moses was a type of saviour. I did not come on hear to argue the word of God. only to make people dig deeper into Gods word. and learn the truth.

      • Lazarus died twice

      • God also made the earth stand still for a day as well disturbing the natural order, He has disturbed the natural order many times.

        Why was Lazarus raised from the dead though? Christ was proving to the people that He had power over death itself (John 11). They already witnessed the miracles that He had performed, but to overcome death. That was unthinkable. Yet, Christ did that for the people, so they would see and believe and He also opened the graves and the people arose after His resurrection (Matthew 27:52-54). So they also died a physical death, yet God brought them back to life so the people would believe upon Christ and many did.

        To my knowledge it is not written that any of them died again. It is assumed they died and really all the assumptions come in at that point.

      • The bible states many peole were raised from the dead, all of which were special occasions, to demonstrate God is real and true, so people would know who is telling the truth and who is lying. Only the one true God can bring people back to life. The two witnesses have the same purpose. They will be killed and raised from the dead and people will know who was telling the truth and who was lying.

      • I once heard a teaching that Moses was an early type for the *body* of Christ. God *chose* Moses to lead God’s children out of the land of Egypt. I believe the teaching went that these people fell under the care of Moses when God’s children followed Moses through/under the Red Sea; thus, attaining an early type of salvation by being baptized under the water of that sea. So, the body of Moses being fought over by Satan in the book of Jude is “arguably” a church body. It is therefore reasoned that Satan wanted these “baptized” people counted towards the death state of the gulf spoken of in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man given to us in Luke 16.
        Of course, this is only one possible theory, however, it could be so, for why would Satan have need of Moses’ flesh and bone? Unless we are talking about it being Moses’ spiritual body which returned back to God, [Eccl. 12:6] that Satan wanted counted towards the death state.
        Again I say, think for yourselves, I mention this theory only as supplication to be considered as food for thought.

      • I have never heard that theory. and I don`t believe that theory. I would say that it is a false teaching. in the book of Jude Satan fought over the body of Moses because he was the lawgiver, and Satan wants to destroy the law. Satan does not like Gods law. he wants his own laws. there is only one way to salvation. John 3 verse 16. through Jesus Christ.

      • Maybe it’s a deeper meaning. The body of Christ are the ones who live by and uphold that law that Satan hates.

      • Very true, there is only one way to salvation, and I can not debate that fact; however, there does seem to be something very special about Moses.
        John 3:14
        “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:”
        John 3:15
        “That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
        In my above posting, I did not mean to infer Moses delivered *eternal* salvation. God, by Moses, did *save* and deliver God’s children out of the hand of Pharaoh and out of the land of Egypt. Moses was to bring / deliver them into the promised land; just as God, by Christ will delivered us up to the promised land.
        Additionally, when Moses died and God *buried* him, ask yourself: Was John 3:16 in effect? What side of the gulf did Moses end up on…? Or even more to contemplate over, at what time period was Jesus speaking of when he mentioned the gulf in Lazarus and the Rich man? Was it always two sided? ***Just deeper things I give to mull over :-)
        Even more, I believe for the benefit of all of God’s children, all must accept Christ to be saved; He is the only way; however, before Christ was lifted up on the cross, God’s elect had overcome Satan in the first earth age, so…(my opinion), Moses, Abraham, and so forth, were of the elect and probably were on the good side of the gulf after their flesh bodies perished.
        Finally, I mentioned that, and will add that, Moses; by God, was given a ministry and was the shepherd over his people…staff included. Also, there was a pass over during his watch.
        Furthermore, I mentioned for deeper thought, that there “may” have been a *type* of water baptism when the people went through the Red Sea, and additionally in the New Testament, John the Baptist also baptized with water until Jesus came and baptized all with the Holy Spirit. Jn. 1:26…Jn. 1:33.
        I will leave you with this scripture for yet even further thought.
        Acts 7:35
        “This Moses *WHOM THEY REF– USED*, [sound familiar], saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.”
        Acts 7:36
        “He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders, and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the *RED SEA*, and in the wilderness forty years.”
        Acts 7:37
        “This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, LIKE UNTO ME; him shall ye hear.”
        Is Moses special and deserving of a deeper study?

      • Yes you are right, Moses was very special to God, do you have to be baptized to be saved? Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. Luke 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save Thyself and us. Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with Me in paradise. The malefactor was not baptized. But we are to follow Christ, and he was baptized and we should be also. You asked what side of the gulf did Moses end up on. when we die after Jesus was crucified we are judged by Jesus as to what side of the gulf we go to. 1Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, But quickened by the Spirit: verse 19 Buy which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison. giving them the same opportunity we have under grace. In my ( opinion) there was no gulf until Christ was crucified.

      • I think there has been a gulf all along. It is just that pretty much everybody was on the wrong side until Christ freed them during His 3.5 days in the grave, at which time He sent some to the good side.

      • Wow, my first reaction to this idea is that is exactly what Satan does, wars over the body of Christ. He doesn’t have to fight for those who are not Christian, he’s got them. But he has to control Christians because they are the only ones who will stand against him using the name of Jesus Christ.

  4. Enni, the other person who did not die in the flesh is Enoch. Enoch and Elijah are the only two who did not die in the flesh so I think they are not done with this world and will be the two witnesses, and since God said he would send Elijah, that is a good indcation Enoch will be the other. But like many things we will just have to wait and see.

  5. Thank you for answering the question about the 5 months of tribulation. I always wondered that also. That explains it perfectly.

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