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Question 1:

Name: Cheryl
Question: As humans we crave human companionship,  why is there no marriage after Jesus comes to earth?


Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Thank you for the question Cheryl.

This age of flesh is a very temporary thing. Our Father never intended on creating this space of time. He never intended on creating us in the flesh. However,  Satan rebelled against God in The First Earth Age which brought about this age of flesh we now find ourselves in. The goal of this time period is for each and every one of us to be born innocent of woman in order to make up our mind who we will follow, God or Satan. That means each and every soul God created must pass through this age of flesh to make that decision for themselves. As a side note Jude 1:6 will document some of the angels decided not to be born of woman and with that decision they sealed their own fate.

So looking forward to the Eternity there is no need to pro-create. God has already created all of the souls and the ones not on earth are in Heaven with our Father. After Judgement Day (the end of the Millennium) the only souls that will be left are those who love our Father. Marriage and the flesh will be one of the “former things that have passed away” as there will be no need to pro-create (Revelation 21:4). Do not let this upset or bother you. God is fair, He will not take away something without replacing it with something greater. Remember, “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:4).

Additional Reading:

The World That Was, The First Earth Age

Satan’s Sin



Question 2:

Name: Antonio
Question: I get confused. Is the battle of hamon-gog and Gog before the millennium or at the end of the millennium?


Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Antonio, thank you for the question.

This battle is before the Millennium at the very end of the Tribulation of Satan. For scriptural documentation of this please visit a past Bible Q&A regarding this subject (Bible Q&A from 05-09-2014 – Q2).



Question 3:

Name: Tina
Question: Hello
This is regarding the miracle – turning the water into wine at the marriage in Cana.  In John 2:10, I ask in Jehovah’s will, what are your thoughts on this verse?  As Bullinger uses an i.e. to give the good thing first, and the worse thing after.  God’s way is always the opposite.  Meaning?


Name: WEB Staff
Answer: Thank you for the question Tina.

I want you to note that was not God or Christ speaking. It was the “ruler of the feast” speaking to the groom.  If you give good wine last nobody will taste it because they are drunk and their taste buds are out of touch. The bad wine in the beginning will taste awful, so get them drunk with the good wine and then give them the bad wine at the end. They were rewarded first is the point here. God does not operate that way.

I do not think Bullinger was trying to make an eloquent point here. He was just saying man tends to reward people upfront a lot of the time (no hard rule there), but God makes you earn it. Remember, the path is narrow and not everyone will make it (Matthew 7:13-14).



Question 4:

Name: Angela
Question: Hi Brandon,
I read your blog about preparing for the tribulation.  How can one purchase and store up when they don’t have the money to make ends meet?  My husband isn’t working, and I was laid off. I found a job making a little above minimum wage. My 401 K will barely support retirement (which most likely will never happen). It’s been tough. I know God is faithful and I want to prepare properly, too. Thank you!


Name: Brandon T. Ward
Answer: Angela thank you for the question.

A lot of people are hurting financially right now and spiritually as well. We posted an article about the financial side the other day. It stated 51% of Americans make less than $30k a year (before taxes of course). That is cutting it very close.

For our readers, Angela’s question stems from our article, “Preparing Our Households for the Tribulation“.

Angela you can only prepare if you have leftover income after paying your bills and taking care of your family. If you have nothing left over, what can you do? I want to quote the article you read to ensure you did not miss the point,

If you have the means and are not preparing you are tempting God and that will not fly with our Father. God may very well provide miracles (five loaves two fish as an example) for us during the Tribulation of Satan. However, if we have the means we should prepare and not assume God will step in and do the work for us.

We should physically, mentally and spiritually prepare to the best of our abilities, but this is truly not an event we can stand up to on our own. All the preparing in the world will be completely empty if we do not have Faith in our Father.

Remember, God will be there to see us through the Tribulation if we believe and trust Him.

Make sure to note the items in bold and underline. If you have the means, then prepare. If you truly do not then the Lord understands that and He will help to see you through the rough days ahead if you stand by His side. Do not beat yourself up over it or feel guilty. The point is if you have the means then you should prepare. Not everyone of us is going to have the optimal situation. The Lord does not care if you are rich or poor and I know you understand that. Just remember,

2 Thessalonians 3:3
3 “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.”


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  1. I think that Jude 1:6 refers to the fallen angels that took the daughters of men to bear them children, the nephilim, Genesis 6:2. They left their heavenly estate and took a physical form to do this; and for this great sin they are chained in darkness, also see 2 Peter 2:4. The book of Enoch makes this very clear. It has nothing to do with refusing to be born of women, but rather for having children with them. It was because of this proliferation of Satan’s seed that God flooded the earth. Somehow they still accomplished this through Nimrod, as Jesus told us in the parable of the Wheats and Tares, Matthew 13:37-39. This is where the giants came from that inhabited Canaan. Although we no longer see the giants, we know that the tares are still among us because we see their works.

    • You are correct WarriorClass. Those angels just before they became “fallen” decided not to be born in the flesh and instead came to the earth to be with flesh woman creating an offspring of giants. I should have spelled that out more for newer readers and to be clear.

      • This is a very interesting concept you raise, Brandon. If it was a requirement that angels be born in the flesh, why aren’t Michael and Gabriel fallen, yet still angels? And where in Scripture does it say that angles were required to be born in the flesh and that some refused? I don’t discount the veracity of what you are saying, but only looking for the more sure Word of prophesy concerning it.

        • WarriorClass, it is great that you are asking questions.

          I would not say it is a requirement, let me explain. There are some things in the Bible that do not come right out and say this or that. But we draw conclusions from the other things we know about the Word.

          For example we are spiritual beings, we have a spirit. So why are we in the flesh? To decide who we will follow God or Satan. Where can we document that? Does the Bible actually say that is why we are here that clearly? No, I do not believe it does. What are we to do in these bodies? Accept Christ and if we do we will have everlasting life in a Paradise of Peace (reverting to our spiritual body, John 3:16). So if we do not accept Christ we default to Satan’s side. This is one example of what I am referring too.

          We are in the flesh because of Satan’s rebellion in the First Earth Age. Job 38:7 documents at one time the Sons of God which would include you and I all sang for joy. That would not be this age of flesh we now find ourselves in that is for certain. Look around at this world today. Further that verse documents even Christ and Satan sang for joy as they are both known as the Morning Star (Revelation 22:16, Isaiah 14:12).

          The point is all of God’s children at one point were perfectly happy until the rebellion of Satan. This all brought about this age of flesh we currently find ourselves in. This all brings us to,

          John 3:3
          “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

          The english says “born again”. I believe this word “again” should have been translated as “above” which would indicate we need to be born from above in order to inherit the Kingdom of God. Look up this word for yourself in your Strong’s Concordance (word: 509). I think the idea that a Christian must be “born again” is non-sense. We do not need to be a Christian, sin and then turn back to God (born again) in order to inherit the Kingdom of God. 2 Peter 2:21 agrees with that statement and makes the point it is actually worse for us.

          The point being we must be born from the Heaven and how are we naturally placed on this earth? Through woman. Now the fallen angels decided to leave “their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day,” (Jude 1:6). They made their decision. They did not want to be born into the flesh, they wanted to simply come here and do what they wanted. With that they made their decision, they followed Satan and for that they signed their own death warrant.

          So not every angel has to be born in the flesh. There are many angels who serve God who do not have to be born in the flesh. Like Michael because they have already proven themselves to God. I am sure there are many more as well. Remember, angel simply means “messenger”. In Revelation 22:18-19, John fell down to worship before the angel. The angel said do not do that I am your fellow servant. This angel very possibly lived in the flesh at one point in time and passed on and now lives in his true body which is the spirit body.

          WarriorClass I would really like for you to read two studies that will document everything I said in this comment. Those studies are:

          Thank you.

          • I’ll check out your studies on this subject.

          • let us remember Michael and Gabriel are more than a messengers from GOD they are Archangel’s :

            Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
            Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

            Luk_1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

          • Thanks Richard I was going to point that out but my comment was getting a bit lengthy. Good job.

          • And by their Works you shall know them. Thanks Brandon

          • I was hoping that someone would have addressed that! Great job, Richard! I can relate to Brandon…in that, when we share on and for…all levels of learning and understanding God’s Word, it can become a bit “lengthy”…and it’s times like these, that those who are gifted with knowledge and understanding of God’s Truths, can jump right in to help fill in the gaps! And so you have! May God continue to bless, lead, guide, direct and touch us in so doing!

          • It troubles me greatly when any body would think Michael and Gabriel are fallen. Thanks Eye

          • O’ I do understand where you are coming from, my dear brother in Christ…for the poster did state:
            “If it was a requirement that angels be born in the flesh, why aren’t Michael and Gabriel fallen, yet still angels?”
            I guess poster do not quite understand, that Michael and Gabriel are Higher Ranking angels, than the others….and so was Satan before his fall from Grace!
            I am still trying to decipher *exactly* what the poster meant by that, as disturbing as it is…I’ll concur…but I mainly chalked it up to *ignorance* of God’s Word…False Teachings or they are *not* reading from the same Manuscripts that we are! Whatever the case, we are to test the fruits! I saw that the poster responded to me above…and it seems like he’s a little bit ticked, maybe a lot even, but I will attempt to see where our wires are being crossed, so I’m off to touch base with him on that, to see if things become clearer or just explode! I’m hoping for the *former*! Be that as it may.
            Thanks again for sharing, Richard.
            p.s. EXCITING NEWS…I’ve just made a call to the Shepherd’s Chapel, and I’ve been told that Pastor Dennis Murray will be back teaching LIVE….from the Book of Kings! Just thought that I would share that with my dear brothers and sisters, who also study God’s Word, with the Chapel. Pastor Dennis continues to heal Great! Praises and Glory be to God, in Christ Yeshua!
            God Bless.

          • You’re right Eye, ignorance,false teachings and tradition of man,

            people just want to believe in fairy tales and security blankets and instant knowledge, you and i know it takes time studying GOD’S word to bring truth to light, with understanding. so when a man speak about the incident with ham and his mother and this is where the other races come from or the African people came from, then I really have to question their Knowledge of the WORD, when it sound like TRADITIONS OF MEN. Also glad to hear about Dennis’s recovery

            God Bless

          • I believe this poster was on here before, coming to think of it! I think he may be more interested in leading whomever may to believe the way he does! Much of what he states, seriously does not align with God’s Word…so I did ask him above, which Bible he studies from! May it’s more Apocryphal and Book of Enoch studies…or some other Mystics, I don’t know…but we’ll see where that’s leads us! I FAST from all the those Books that does not align with God’s Word…which leaves me with more questions than answers! To me…if something’s *not* broke…WHY FIX IT! Well that’s how I feel with the Companion Bible, Strong’s, Smith’s Bible Dictionary, Moffat at times, to name some of the tools. We’ll stick with what we’ve been taught over the years…at least I’m not at all confused by it. Little bumps here and there, but God always sends me the help I need to overcome those! I pretty much enjoy that Personal relationship with my Heavenly Father. He never leaves us wanting. Appreciate your comment much Rich…thank you for it…and God Bless.
            p.s. I’m also thrilled to be re-visiting the Books of Kings with Pastor Dennis. Lots of juicy stories in there! And needless to say, I’m thrilled that he’s been recovering just great. He looks great…must have been eating fine too. 😉

          • ALL is GOOD, most of us here are all on the same page.

          • Agreed. Every instance in God’s Word concerning the angel Gabriel was always positive! This is the main reason why I discount mohammad supposedly meeting “Gabriel” only to be so fearful & afraid after the meeting.

          • Unless there was more in the other posts I did not read warriorclass was asking me a question about my reasoning not stating Michael was a fallen angel. At least that is how I took it.

          • oops, my miss reading, I retract my statement..

    • Hi WarriorClass III…I appreciate you sharing with us…God loves when we earnestly search or dig out His Truths, for in so doing, we will find them. A couple of things…regarding the “nephilim”. What did you mean that “They left their heavenly estate and took a physical form to do this great sin”?

      It is to my understanding, that man was created in the image God and the angels…though they are *not* flesh…mankind (the males) do look *exactly* like them in anatomy. Christ, in the *expressed* image of God…and men look exactly like the angels.

      The other thing…How did you summarize from…Matthew 13:37-39…that the giants *are* descendants of “Nimrod” (who is Adamic)..”that inhabited Canaan”? Actually, those verses are referring to *only* the *Kenites*…descendants of Cain…whose father is none other than Satan himself. They are a race of people…who also mixed with the inhabitants of Canaan. Did you mean to say instead…that there was a second (2nd) influx of Fallen angels (Nephilim)…as evident in Numbers 13:16-33…with the scouts that returned with the evil report that, “There are giants over there”. Are those the ones that you meant, that inhabited and mixed with the inhabitants of Canaan…which may have included the descendants of “Nimrod” as well? I guess what I’m trying to get at is…as far as the *INHABITANTS* of “Canaan” are concerned…we read in…

      Genesis 10…of *the Generations of the…*SONS*…of NOAH…from whom “Nimrod” was descended…and we see in: Genesis 10:5 “By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.”

      ******Question is..who are these Gentile nations that are living in the coast lands,
      “isles”? Those peoples are…NOT…of the offspring of Adam, but *FOREIGNERS* of heathen blood and NOT of Noah or his son Japheth, or Javan; as ASSUMED because of verse four (4). These Gentile peoples, survived the flood also, and separated themselves into separate nations, on their own lands. We are expected to use common sense, and those with eyes to see, will understand that others besides Noah and his family survived the flood.

      If you check the Strong’s concordance Hebrew for Gentiles: H1471 gôwy, go’-ee; rarely (shortened) גֹּי gôy; apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a FOREIGN nation; hence, a Gentile;
      *****You will then see that others…”foreigners” to Noah’s family…survived the flood. Also check out the word for “Nations” in the Hebrew, as it is used in verse 5…both come from the *same* root word…”goy” H1471.

      These Gentiles…peoples of different races…also divided into different peoples, *not* only the descendants of “Nimrod”…and they also separated themselves into their own lands. Noah’s Adamic race is not referred to as a Gentile race in the Bible. Each race was created “after his kind”, and prior to the Adamic race, at that.

      In other words, WarriorClass III…are we on the same page here…or maybe it is me…who needs to revisit that study again? For the sake of keeping afresh…nothing else.

      Humbly, a *student* of God’s Word.

      God Bless.

      • Hi EyeonGod. You have lots of good questions. I will try to respond to them in order as best I can. First we know that angles are spiritual beings from many passages in the Word, and we see them take on many forms like in Ezekiel’s visions, as well as John’s. We also see them take on the appearance of men, as in Genesis 18 & 19. Since the fallen angels procreated with women, I conclude that they had taken on the form of men to complete this act. We know from Jude that they left their heavenly estate to do this, going after strange flesh, that is different flesh. They being spiritual went after the mortal daughters of men, mixing their spiritual bodies with the earthly, violating God’s commandment of each after their own kind.

        The nephilim are the descendants of the fallen angles and the daughters of men. So the nephilim are half angelic and half human monsters that were never meant to exist at all. They are in appearance like men, but devoid of any conscience. Today we would refer to them as sociopaths and/or psychopaths. They have no inclination for repentance, nor even seek salvation apart from themselves. The souls of these dead ones are what we would call demons, who wonder the earth in search of a body to inhabit.

        Yes, I blurred the lines Ham, but I believe the line of Cain was cut off in the flood. Somehow some of the descendants of Ham became nephilim, such as Nimrod and Canaan. I don’t know how this happened, unless there were some nephilim genes that came through Ham’s wife or a female servant? I don’t see a second incursion of fallen angels documented in Scripture to account for this, so I don’t really know how this happened, but only know they are of the serpent seed, by their works.

        In Genesis 10:5 the word “Gentiles” is also rendered “Nations” and I take it to mean that these nations were formed of the descendants of Noah.

        “By these were the isles of
        the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after
        their families, in their nations.”

        “By these” can only refer to what came before, which were the sons of Noah. I don’t see any flesh, save what was in the ark, that survived the flood. If you have a Scriptural reference where they did, I’d like to know it because I was never able to find one. And I’ve looked because it is a mystery to me how they came to be after the flood. And yet we know they will be here until the Judgement, as Jesus said in Matthew 13:37-39.

        Anyway, like you I am a humble student of the Word. I don’t have all the answers, but I do believe that all the saints working together can come to understand, each adding what he has learned and sharing it with each other. As it says in Proverbs 27:17, Iron sharpens iron.

        God bless!

        • Hi again WarriorClass III…thanks for your response! We are
          students of God’s Word, and we enjoy learning together in these exciting End times! That’s all we can do, is the best we can, I concur. Praises be to God! Let’s attempt to tackle and document some of what we are discussing here…with a Word of wisdom from our Heavenly Father, in Christ Yeshua. You’ve stated: “First we know that angles are spiritual beings from many passages in the
          Word, and we see them take on many forms like in Ezekiel’s visions, as well as John’s.”
          *****As far as I know from God’s Word…man looks exactly like them, that *is* their form, except, they have an appearance of a younger adult, for they do not age…they are *not* flesh (terrestrial) but has a spiritual body, a mass (celestial). I’m not sure what you meant by they take on *many* forms…unless you meant like in Daniel 10:5-6…Numbers 22:22-35…Revelation 4:6-8…where they can appear in the Glory of God, appearance of Lightning/brightly shining and as described in those Scriptures? Hebrews gives us a good picture of angels as to male men looking like them also…
          “Hebrews 13:2 – Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
          *****This has a direct reference to Genesis 18:3 where Abraham observes two men near a tree, as the angels appeared to help him. This verse also tells me, that we may not be able to tell them apart from us, just by looking at them…spiritually discern, yes!
          Job 38:7 – When the morning stars sang together, and all the SONS of God shouted for joy?
          *****No daughters mentioned, so it tells me that they are gender-less in Heaven, but look like flesh males do. Even the Archangel Gabriel’s name means: *man* of God. Strong’s H1403 – Gabriy’el.
          And yes! The Fallen Angels “kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,” Jude 1:6 and “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,” Jude 1:7 which were their major sins. “Strange flesh” as is given in the Greek text, means “giving yourself to flesh that is other than is natural.” It is man with man, and woman with woman. In the case of the fallen angels, it is spiritual body (celestial) in sexual copulation with flesh body (terrestrial)…which is a *Perversion* of God’s Natural Order for them both!

          These fallen angels perverted God’s beautiful plan of Salvation. Instead of being born of woman, as God has planned for them, they left their habitation / residence, came to earth to *seduce* women instead. They wanted to destroy the woman, that would bear the
          children, and even the promised Messiah that would come through the seed of woman. We saw in Genesis 6 that all but one family became hybrids of these fallen angels, and that is the reason for God destroying the entire population of those hybrids. It is through that one family of Noah that Christ then would come.

          Keep in mind also that what we consider as “evil spirits” and these fallen angels are two different things. Yet it is the offspring or progeny of these fallen angels that were destroyed, and their
          spirits are the evil spirits of this age. When the fallen angels return they will not come in spirit form but appear much as the image of men are, for we are created in their image. Those evil spirits are the “familiar spirits” of the Old Testament, and the “spirits of divination” spoken of in the New Testament.

          You’ve stated: “The nephilim are the descendants of the fallen angles and the daughters of men.”

          *****I agree. Then you went on to state: “Today we would refer to them as sociopaths and/or psychopaths.” Well…we have not had them back yet…so these are flesh mankind, that are behaving like monsters. But the Fallen angels are on their way back, when Satan is cast out from Heaven, the Fallen Angels will be cast out with him. However, since they only have but a *short time*…there would not be enough gestation time to have those Gibbor the heroes (the mighty men) which were of old, men of renown” (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness). Appendix 25 Companion Bible.

          You: “The souls of these dead ones are what we would call demons, who wonder the earth in search of a body to inhabit.”

          *WHOSE* souls? Of the dead “sociopaths and/or psychopaths.”? If that’s what you mean…I strongly suggest that you read about the Rich Man And Lazarus, and pay specific attention to the Gulf in Heaven and what happens on either side of it, when we pass on to Heaven…Luke 16:19-31.

          ******Now regarding Genesis 10:5…You may want to go back to my original comment, and re-read about these ”Nations”…*NOT* descended from NOAH…but were descended from the Sixth (6th) day Creation, in other words, they were *NOT* Adamic. If it is does *not* become any clearer, I’ll be happy to help…or maybe even Brandon or our dear brothers and sisters on this Forum, who are quite familiar with that verse.

          ******You: ” I don’t see any flesh, save what was in the ark, that survived the flood. If you have a Scriptural reference where they did, I’d like to know it because I was never able to find one. And I’ve looked because it is a mystery to me how they came to be after the flood.”

          ******Well I’ll give it my best shot, WarriorClass III…maybe these verses may help, if only just a little. But First…we’ll have to document that God also established that man is *FLESH* also.

          Genesis 6:3 “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that HE also is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
          Genesis 2:24: “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be ONE *FLESH.*”
          Genesis 6:19 “And of every living thing of ALL *FLESH*, two of EVERY SORT shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be MALE and FEMALE.”
          ******Take note of the fact that each race of the sixth day Creation are also FLESH, and “after their KIND”, extends to THEM also. The black, the yellow race, and the Kenites were all FLESH, “and after their kind.”, and of every living thing of all FLESH”. God stipulates “one male and one female”. This is so EACH race can START OVER, and EACH of these persons aboard the ark then was covered under the covenant that God made with NOAH.

          ****** HOWEVER…the other idea is that the flood destroyed only that which God had intended to flood. The area of flooding existed only in the area that the hybrids of the fallen angels had settled in. That area that the Adamic race had intermixed with the Fallen angels.
          If one still subscribe to the universality of the Flood, you have more explaining to do. You must reconcile the Flood with the histories of China and Egypt and explain how it is that Egyptian chronology shows an uninterrupted succession of Dynasties from at least 3001 B.C. So…was the Flood of Noah universal, i.e. worldwide? Hmmm! You decide. Brandon offers some wonderful Topics right here on WEB…that may help you further understand the answers to which you seek. Check them out by Topics.

          *****Thank you for working through this with us here on WEB…where we can all pitch in and help each other…while enjoying Brandon’s Labor of Love in all that he does in this Ministry, in God’s Service!
          Love that little Proverbs 27:17 Scripture that you’ve shared…”Iron sharpens iron”! Well…I do hope that it does here!
          May God continue to bless, lead, guide, direct, touch, comfort, protect…all those who Love and Serve Him, in Christ Yeshua.

          • Well that was a long response! I will address a couple points. First, there are stories of the flood from all over the ancient world, even from ancient China and the Americas, so I believe that the flood was world wide, as it states in the Scriptures. You have to be very careful when looking at history, because it becomes very blurry with inaccurate dates and time-lines. And virtually every history written attempts to glorify itself, it’s kingdom and people who wrote it.

            Second, angels take on many forms including (and often) that of men. But we also see the four headed angels of Ezekiel’s vision and of John’s in Revelation. We see prophets of God being terrified at the sight of these beings. Would they be terrified of just seeing a man?

            Third, I know well the story of the rich man and Lazarus. But hades was created for dead men, not the nephilim. As far as I can tell, no place was created for the souls of the dead nephilim since they were never intended to exist, so after they die, they are left to wander the earth. These are the demons. These are not the ones coming back since they are already here! The ones that will return are the fallen angels chained in darkness until the last day.

            So the question now is, where did the post flood nephilim come from? We know that they are here because Yeshua said so, and even called some people living at that time sons of the devil. No doubt Nimrod was one, as were the sons of Canaan – the giants that Israel had to battle. We also see evidence of these beings from around the world, and their descendants are still here.

            They may not be giants or different in appearance any longer since their blood line has become diluted from interbreeding, but Jesus called them out even though they appeared to be men. He even told us they would be here until the end, since he told the angels not to up-root them, lest they also up-root the wheat along with them, clearly indicating they were earthly, not spiritual beings, or fallen angels appearing as men. So yes, the descendants of the nephilim are still here, still psychopaths and still creating hell on earth.

            Only men are able to repent of their sins and be saved, not nephilim. You can always tell nephilim because they always seek to save themselves. I’ve read news stories about people wanting to upload their souls to computers, or even trying to modify their genome to live forever – still believing the lie from Satan from Genesis, “You shall not surely die!” These have no inclination to repent for their rebellion; they are not truly men. They have the nephilim gene. They may have some of the genetics of men due to interbreeding, but they clearly side with their father the devil.

            Nevertheless, we know that some of the sons of Noah, through Ham – Cush and Canaan specifically – became nephilim. We just don’t know how that happened.

            The fourth item about angels being required to be born as men, I will have to do some more studying on. This is very interesting to me personally, because I have had such pre-birth memories that I have thought about since my youth and those memories always engender a very strong desire to return home, even as I sit in my own house. I’ve never been able to reconcile those thoughts and feelings with Scripture, and have wondered if they were just placed in my head by the enemy or if there was some reality to them.

            Anyway, I praise Yahovah for His Salvation, His direction, and loving kindness to all those that receive Messiah Yeshua and place their hope in Him.

            God bless.

          • Well thank you so much for sharing your position on all those, WarriorClass III…It helps me to further understand where you may need spiritual guidance if you are truly serious about learning God’s Truths. It’s a bit late right now, and I will respond to what I believe that to be. For now…just a few things that I’ve noticed from your comment thus far. You are confusing the *biological* descendants of Cain, whose father is none other than Satan himself, with the progeny of the Fallen angels. You may have failed to realise that *ALL* souls, whether they are Kenites or Nephilim / Gibbor, good, bad, evil ugly and indifferent….came from God, and they…*ALL*…will return to our Heavenly Father, once they passed on or suffer death of the flesh. You are also neglecting one very important Revelation from Christ Himself…”Behold, I have *foretold* you ***ALL* things”…which means that the answers that we seek…are *ALL* there in God’s Word…we just have to diligently search them out, with His Holy Spirit Guidance and help from His Gifted teachers and sharers of His Truths…even though some may take good ‘ole’ Godly common sense to put it all together. So please, I ask for now, because of this late hour…sit tight until we can sought this all out, or at least give it our best shot, if you wish for us to continue! I appreciate the time you took to share your position. Truly appreciated.
            May God / Christ, continue to lead, guide, direct, touch and protect, all those who love and serve Him!

          • “You are confusing the *biological* descendants of Cain, whose father is none other than Satan himself, with the progeny of the Fallen angels.”

            No, I thought I made my case pretty clear based upon the Bible. The descendants of Cain were wiped out by the flood, as were the progeny of the fallen angels, as well as the mixture of the two.

            As far as returning to the Father, that’s not what the Scriptures say. Those not saved are thrown in to the lake of fire, Mark 9:47-48, among many other references.

            Further, you have left your “humble” position of “student of the Word” to be my presumed teacher “It helps me to further understand where you may need spiritual guidance.” I thought we were having a discussion. I certainly never asked you, nor would ever ask you, for your “spiritual guidance.” I have the Word and the Ruach Kodesh for that.

            You presume much here, and your arrogance has revealed itself. If anyone is confused here, it is you.

          • Hi again WarriorClass III…Good to hear back from you! I have just gotten a moment to come on WEB today, and have a few minutes right now to respond to my brothers and sisters. But *First*…I believe that you completely misunderstood what I meant where I’ve stated:

            “we just have to diligently search them out, with His Holy Spirit
            Guidance and help from His Gifted teachers and sharers of His
            Truths…even though some may take good ‘ole’ Godly common sense to put
            it all together.”

            May it be known to you…that I consider myself a long time student and one of the “sharers” or Seed Planters of God’s Truths! The Gifted are those that are blessed by God, Biblical Scholars, Linguists, Bible Teachers who are blessed with a great memory and recall of chapter and verses, that conduct *daily* Chapter by Chapter, Verse by Verse, here a little, there a little teaching of God’s Word. They can answer questions with Godly wisdom and intelligence, and have been very well trusted and respected over the decades in teaching God’s Truths…in my humble opinion of course…just as those Teachers at *The* Shepherd’s Chapel. We *all* need Holy Spirit guidance to teach, share, and understand, with intelligence, God’s Truths, is what I meant by Holy Spirit Guidance. I am mindful to note and acknowledge, that the God Inspired Prophets of the Bible are still our Teachers also, unto this day. Brandon does an Amazing job on the Topical Bible Studies, as well as other various topics, Bible verses of the day and helps keep us up to date on current events, from a Christian perspective! He helps in keeping the *Watch*…in this part of the Ministry. We are very blessed to have both Shepherd’s Chapel and WEB Ministry with Brandon, to keep us be well fed in God’s Truths! I just thought that I’d take a few minutes I have right now…to share this with you! In other words…*NO*…I do *NOT* consider myself, as being a Bible Teacher. What I am…is a serious Student of God’s Word with *The* Shepherd’s Chapel, for over 22 years…with their Chapter by Chapter, Verse by Verse teaching of God’s Word *DAILY*! I do hope that this clarifies things between us.
            I will come back to continue sharing on a few things, if you care to…as soon as I have a little more time again later. Meanwhile however…and hoping that you would read this…could you tell me which Bible you Study from? I saw that you’ve mentioned the Book of “ENOCH”….so it piqued my curiosity, as to maybe that’s where you are getting some of the things, I’m a bit confused by. We here at WEB…as well as S.C. use the Standard King James Version / Companion Bible, in addition to the Strong’s Concordance as well as other recommended by our Bible Teachers…tools, so we can reference the Hebrew or Greek meanings of any given word in the English Bible, as we continue along in our Bible Studies. That’s all for now…Looking forward to hearing from you!

          • Ok, if I misunderstood, I apologize for saying you are arrogant. Nevertheless you do seem confused as to what (I thought) I had plainly stated. If I seem a little touchy about people who claim to be some kind of gifted authority on the Word, I am. Way to many people out there spreading lies and telling people they have a personal Word from the Lord yet the word they have contradicts the Word in the Scriptures. I have been a Christian for 44 years and in the Word that long as well. And having been raised a Roman Catholic, I came by it the hard way.

            From the age of 14 to about 21 I studied and studied the New Testament trying to make sense out of the pagan religion I was raised in and from their went to many assemblies over the years and found that none really preached the true Word of Yahovah in its entirety. I have many translations I refer to in my studies, but rely mainly on the KJV since there are so many references for it, like the Strong’s Concordance and interlinears, I find that version is indispensable in my studies. Around the age of 22 I found the book “Earth’s Earliest Ages” by Pember, and felt that book really explained a lot, but then I came across one of the early translations of Enoch found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and felt that really explained a lot even more, especially about Genesis 6 and my question as to why God would have Israel totally annihilate whole towns of people, women and children included. Enoch cleared that up for me and let me understand even better what Pember had written about.

            I did not know that you and Brandon were affiliated with any particular assembly. If the one you are affiliated with is, I read the statement of faith and have no disagreements with it as far as it goes. I believe salvation is by grace through faith, and it is the gift of God, and not of works, *but* also that we are judged by our works, Revelation 2:23, 2:26, 3:1-2, 3:8, etc., 14:13, 20:12-13 for our reward. I further believe that the Law is still in effect, Matthew 5:18, but that it is now Spiritually interpreted, as Paul did in 1 Corinthians 9:9, and that it is our duty to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit – that is not optional, but critical. I stand against the false belief that the Law was done away with as claimed by most main-street Christians today. The Law is still the lamp for my feet, and a light unto my path. I believe that the Sabbath is still the 7th day of the week and that we should keep *all* of the Lord’s Sabbaths (Feast Days).

            It was the Roman Catholic Church that presumed the authority to change the Laws of God and cause all of Christendom to profane His Sabbath, and defile His temple (which Temple we are) by causing all to eat pork, saying that law was dispensed with by inserting words that neither Jesus nor His Apostles ever spoke. In fact it was in Acts that the Jerusalem counsel gave the initial instruction not to defile the temple, Acts 15:20, a summary of how clean food is defiled, “things strangled, and from blood” and from fornication, because these are things done in and to the body, in which the Holy Spirit dwells. It was never a license to eat unclean things, grieving the Ruach Kodesh, as stated in the Catholic bible in Matthew 15.

            So that is where I am coming from. I believe the Word of God in its entirety, from the depths of my being.

          • Apology accepted, Warrior. I think I understand where you are coming from, as far as being a “little touchy”! But that was not the case with me, as I’ve explained earlier. Thank you for sharing a bit of your history as well…truly appreciated. It helps us understand, how you’ve come to the positions you have taken, on the issues on which we differ. That’s a pretty long time as a Christian and in being a student of God’s Word. That’s 22 years *longer* than I have been a serious student! Wow! And we have being raise Catholic in common, I see. I was a Catholic, up until I decided to accept Christ Yeshua as my Lord and personal Savior, and I was Baptized, while I was away at a Christian camp for one week, with a School teacher, who did some seed planting with her students! I have tried to fellowship with that Ministry, from age 13 or so…to the *sore displeasure of my parents* at that time! That’s where I’ve gotten the thirst for God’s Word, and decided to read the entire Bible on my own, since my parents would not allow me to attend services with the Ministry where I’ve been baptized. God was knocking, and I wanted to answer, but I was still a minor. That was the best thing that happened to me, for I haven’t stopped searching out God’s Truths ever since! Praises be to God / Christ! It’s been quite a journey! But I’ve found a resting place 22 years ago, as I’ve shared earlier…as a serious student of God’s Word, in the many-membered-Body of CHRIST…HIS CHURCH…of which HE is the HEAD / CHIEF CORNERSTONE / SOLID ROCK! I have since come to realize…that I’ve been a member of the Church, the very day that I was BAPTIZED in CHRIST’S Name! Glory be to God! So here we are…we’ll continue, plowing away in His Truths. I was hoping by now, I would have seen that you have read through some of the suggested Topical Studies which Brandon had recommended to you…to hear your thoughts on them, or see if things were a bit clearer in your mind! But you may be doing so at your own leisure…and I have given my word, that I’ll continue to document, why I’ve stated what I have in my responses to you thus far. Let’s see how much we can cover right now…with a word of wisdom from our Heavenly Father, in Christ Yeshua.
            *****Firstly, I am a member of SC and have been for over 22 years…however, as far as Brandon being affiliated with any Ministry…he’s the one to speak to that! That’s not my place.
            *****Secondly, apart from hearing much about the books of Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls, I’ve *fasted* off anything that does not completely align with God’s Word as I’ve learned them in the Standard KJV, and I’ve never heard of the other ones you’ve mentioned. Other than the Bible and Tools I’ve already mentioned…I only tend to read literature or books that align with the Bible. I am not at all left with many questions, that I do not eventually find an answer to…in God’s Word…so I’m pretty much set and blessed to have that.
            Let’s tackle this one right now, if you may…you’ve stated:

            “No, I thought I made my case pretty clear based upon the Bible. The
            descendants of Cain were wiped out by the flood, as were the progeny of
            the fallen angels, as well as the mixture of the two.”
            *****How could God choose to wipe out the descendants of Cain (Kenites) when they had the First Prophecy in the Bible to yet fulfill? When they have a large part to play, in carrying out the *NEGATIVE* parts of God’s Plan? And most of those *NEGATIVE* parts had to do with *testing and punishing* God’s stubborn / stiffnecked children. God uses wicked and evil folks too…like I’ve already stated…they carry out the *NEGATIVE* parts of GOD’S Plan! GOD even called Nebuchadnezzar…*HIS* servant…AND…GOD calls the “LOCUST ARMY”…*HIS* Army.

            See…here’s the thing…it is written…the First prophecy:
            Genesis 3:15 “And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan’s] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ’s] heel.”
            And surely enough…the Kenites did shout out to *MURDER* Christ…CRUCIFY *HIM*…they shouted! But…they were only able to *kill* his body, which was transfigured and resurrected btw…they were *NOT* able to kill both *body and soul*…so that was only a *BRUISING* of Christ’s Heel…part of His *flesh* body only! *NOT* PERMANENT / FINAL!
            GOD…is the Only Entity, that can *DESTROY*…BOTH body AND soul! Matthew 10:28. However, Satan’s fate is *DOOMED*…he is already sentenced to *PERISH* …he will be turned to ashes from within…both body and soul…BLOTTED OUT of existence and even from the Over-comers’ memories….forever and ever! That is a *FATAL* BRUISE he has coming to him, when God is through using him…I’d say! It’s PERMANENT / FINAL!
            *****So…help me to understand, why God will choose to allow all the Kenites to *PERISH*…before that prophecy is fulfilled?
            I’ll leave you to ponder that, before we move on any further.

            Just a quick question also, for the sake of clarification: Are you stating that Michael and Gabriel are *fallen angels* in this part of your comment? I ask only, because I did not quite understand what you were implying / asking here….

            “If it was a requirement that angels be born in the flesh, why aren’t Michael and Gabriel fallen, yet still angels?”

            Looking forward to hearing back from you!
            Thanks again for sharing, Warrior!

          • I responded to your questions (oops, update: I responded to Driving for God, thinking it was you; see my response there) in response to another one of your posts, except that of Michael and Gabriel. No, I don’t consider them fallen at all! That was my point, that they did not come to be born of women in the flesh and are not at all fallen angels! That’s why I don’t necessarily agree that all the angels had to become men to see where they stood. Two thirds of the angels did not rebel, so why would they be further tested? It appears to me that they still stand strong with God, and come as the reapers in the last days, so they are still in obedience to our Creator.

            I know what you mean about “*sore displeasure of my parents*” only you can add grandparents to that list in my case, as well as the mocking of my brothers and sisters. None of whom ever bothered to actually *read* the Bible, BTW, even the Catholic version. That version continued to cause me problems even after I left that religion simply because I had read it so many times. Ugh! It took many years of reading the KJV to finally rid myself of a lot of incorrect ideas. Nevertheless, Yeshua was so kind and patient with me. He did after all lead me to Him and His Word out of my entire family of seven children, and a lineage of Catholics going back hundreds of years and a family that many members became priests and nuns in over that period. And out of all that, Christ chose to give me freedom, taking me out of the bondage of that pagan place, ever pushing me towards Him, and drawing me with His Love. It is amazing to look back over that time, and how He used all my trials and tribulations, which were so horrible at that time of confusion, but only made me cling to Him harder. There are no words in any human language to describe the depth of our relationship. How I love and praise Him.

          • Thank you for your response WC…I understand. I will go back and re-read your response, knowing now, that it was directed to me, but erroneously went to DFG…which is all good, for we all learn from each other’s posts on here as well. I’m glad you let me know, for I was awaiting your reaction to the studies Brandon recommended…which may certainly help to clear up a lot on what we were discussing. I’m so relieved that you didn’t think that Michael and Gabriel were *fallen*…we may have been dimensions apart on that one! WHEW! ” 🙂 The fallen angels came to earth to seduce women, instead of being born of women, as GOD had planned. They were trying to Corrupt / Sabotage the Seed-line through which Messiah would come…just like their mentor Satan! That was first tried by Satan, who seduced Eve in the Garden of Eden, resulting with the conception of Cain. But Michael and Gabriel, who are Archangels, Cherubims, a Higher *Order* of Angels…they always *OBEYED* our Heavenly Father…very much *UNLIKE* the Fallen angels. Cherubims / Archangels are not required to be born of women…for they stand in obedience to God, always…well…EXCEPT for Satan, who was High Ranking also…*before* he fell from Grace with God. Just like we have *ranks* in our Armed Forces / Law Enforcement / The Body of Christ (Elders, Bishops, etc. etc.) GOD is all for…*Order, Discipline and Organized*…like with Christ instructing the Disciples to organize the 5000 into groups to be fed, for example.
            Now this may or may not come as a SURPRISE to some…but…*MOST* of God’s children, really followed Satan. Yes! One third, did follow Satan…*DIRECTLY*…but there were also those who also followed him, I’ll call it…*INDIRECTLY*.
            Some of those who did so *INDIRECTLY*…may *not* have either given, two hoots…for either GOD or Satan…then there may have been those, who tried to create their *own* Salvation, they may have felt that…*if*…they’d just be kind unto others and do good in their *OWN* sight…that would be *THEIR* Salvation! WRONG!!!!!! GOD DECIDES *OUR* SALVATION…WE COMPLY OR DIE…AND THAT WILL BE *DEATH* OF BOTH BODY & SOUL!

            So God postponed our judgment until…AFTER…the Millennium, after His plan to salvage us…AFTER…His plan of Salvation, is *FULFILLED.* Is it only coincidence that the Bible was first translated to English by the King of another of the tribes of ancient Israelites, King James of England (the 1611 King James Version of our Bible)?

            My point is God knew all this and it is only speculation on my part but, do you think God would have placed many of his unfaithful First Earth Age children in earth women’s womb, to be born into *this* earth age in the years prior to the *printing* of His Word, when their conversion to Christianity would have been much less likely if their only knowledge of it came from hand copied scrolls, and than not very likely that the common man would have access to them. I don’t believe he would have or did. That means that a very large (out of proportion) percentage of our current World population, are people who were *followers of Satan* in the First Earth Age. (20th and 21st century population for it wasn’t until the 20th century that Bibles were mass produced and available to the common man.) You can see each of those types with us today, for they are to be tested, in this Generation, the Generation of the Fig Tree in which Satan will be CAST OUT…to once again make their choice…GOD…or…Satan. GOD DECIDES FOR US FREEWILLS’…OUR SALVATION…and that is through CHRIST YESHUA…NONE OTHER…NO OTHER WAY! And there are *NO* grey areas with GOD…*NO* in between! Its either you choose HIM…or…choose Satan…Holy or profane, Right or Wrong! With that being said…it’s only a small fraction that stood *with* GOD or *against* Satan in the First World Age…compared to possibly…12-14 billion souls that HE has created. Like with these in the following Scripture…
            “Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have *NOT* bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.” 1 Kings 19:18.
            Noting that 7 in Biblical Numerics = Spiritual Completeness…so that can be as many as GOD deem complete. I like to think of them as…GOD’S *VERY* ELECT….
            There are the “elect” of God, who are the FIRSTFRUITS in the “age that was;” that First Earth Age that ended with the Flood of Genesis 1:2. The “elect” will stand also for Christ in this earth age…however, (and there are those who will disagree with me on this) the FIRSTFRUITS 144,000…that are *REDEEMED* in Revelation 14…are the sealed of God overcomers only from…and in…*this* Earth Age of the flesh. They are NOT the only overcomers, but they are the FIRSTFRUITS to God, and the Lamb [Christ]. They went *ASTRAY* for a while…but were taught by the God’s Election and came out of that state…*BEFORE*…*THE* King of kings and Lord of lords, Christ Yeshua, RETURNS! Then there are the kings and queens of the Ethnos / Nations other than ISRAEL…*ALL* the Overcomers…whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life! Altogether, they are just a drop in the bucket…in comparison to *ALL* the souls that GOD had created! That’s what I’ve gathered from God’s Word, in my years of being a serious Bible student with SC. In other words…there are way over two thirds, discerning that there are *NO* grey areas…no *in between* with GOD…who had followed Satan, either *DIRECTLY* like the third…or… INDIRECTLY as I’ve mentioned earlier. It’s either you are HOT or you are COLD…*NO* Lukewarm! It’s kind of saying that you are a little bit pregnant, when you are Lukewarm! (I’m so coo coo at times, I must admit) 🙂

            Just some food for thought! I will go re-read your previous response, as soon as I get a little more time
            again, and will respond accordingly…should you want to continue!
            Thanks for sharing, a little more about your life…we do have quite a few of those experiences in common. But those were certainly a blessings in disguise…weren’t they? Praises and Glory be to our Merciful Father!

          • Unruffle your feathers WC3, it’s too late to get offended so easily. EoG has never appeared arrogant in her writings here, in fact takes great care to share what she knows with integrity in a loving, Christian manner. She happens to understand some things that you have yet to be exposed to. That is alright and there are probably things you can share with us that will help in our understanding as well.

            You appear to be an intelligent and diligent person, but there are some nuances in Scripture you can still learn. Maybe even major themes which can be impossible to see unless God Himself reveals them to you. Don’t stomp on someone who is willing to share because you don’t like the way they word something or the way it sounds. Hell, it’s difficult enough to fully communicate face-to-face let alone in writing. Usually it requires a lot of back and forth clarifying to truly understand each other.

            Forgiveness and patience are major tenets of Christianity. They help us to reach a higher level of understanding and compassion. Practice them or you will be the one who is arrogant. I forgive you for biting at someone whom I admire for her love of God’s Word and I’ll be patient with you not knowing why you were so harsh and defensive. We all have our struggles to overcome but really we’re trying to dig deeper into God’s Word here and we save the stomping and biting for legitimate disagreements. Even then we’re praying for each other and humbly praying to our Lord and Savior to correct us if we ourselves are in the wrong.

            Off the top of my head I can think of ten things most Christians are not even aware of:

            -The original documentation of the Bible for flesh man’s eyes is in the Heavens. Astronomy and all the constellations plus the movements of the lights tell the story which includes the Lion, the serpent, the virgin, mother and child, the alter, rebellion, redemption, and so on……this was valuable information for me when I watched a movie called “Zeitgeist”(sp?) which claimed pre-Christian images of holy mother and child connected with pagan, false religion. This shook me for a while until I learned how easy it was for Satan to preempt this beautiful truth with it being revealed all along, even before manuscripts existed.

            -There are bad figs in Israel as well as good figs, who’s who? Smyrna is the name of a type of fig tree in nature and also the name of one of the churches in Revelation who taught who’s who. They obeyed Christ’s command to learn this lesson in Matthew 24:32 and Mark 13:28.

            -The ever popular Rapture which is part of the great deception and will cause many Christians to commit apostasy was directly warned about in Ezekiel 13 and coincides with the teachings of what will remain all the way to the end of this age.

            -Genesis 49:31 Jacob’s family spells out acronym “ISRAeL.” Key in knowing who God’s chosen people are in full.

            -The Ships of Chittim, where are they going and what is their purpose?

            -The Bruisers, who are they and what are they doing?

            -The Forest of the Weavers??

            -The Valley of the Passengers? Where is this and what happens there?

            -Judah and Israel, the Two Sticks divided, how does that play out today?

            -Various types of acrostics, including God’s sacred name YHVH hidden in the book of Esther BACKWARD indicating there’s something wrong with the premise of that book. That’s ten.

            EyeonGod is likely aware of everything listed, are you? I’m not trying to be smart and I don’t completely understand, actually need help with some of those subjects. But, I just want you to see from another’s view that we want to share this wisdom and keep learning together. So stop calling names such as arrogant and presumptive or you’ll sabotage yourself from some very helpful and fascinating information to serve the Living God. It would be nice to have you on board with this rather than defensive and adversarial.

            EoG no need to respond, let’s stay on topic, I’ve already been too long-winded but felt I should this time.

            Warrior Class III, I see you did respond kindly and explained. Thank you. I’ll take my own advice and be more patient and forgiving too.

          • To God be the Glory, Windy! Wow! That was very humbling. Thanks for your kind sentiments. Pleasure to meet yet another student of God’s Truths. It sure seems that you are a mature and deep student yourself…seems like you’ll even keep me on my toes…which is a good thing…it will serve to help keep me afresh on various topics. As a matter of fact…I’m going to revisit some of the ones outlined in your comment! That was pretty exciting just to see some of those brought to the fore again. I…not too long ago shared a bit on “The Ships of Chittim” and “The Bruisers”…with another student who was interested in knowing more about them! She was happy to delve into them! Needless to say, I was happy to share! Praises and Glory be to God, for opening our minds, eyes and ears to His Truths! I’m forever grateful!
            Thank you for the Christian love and support that you’ve extended to me…truly appreciated! I so love my Christian family…each and every one of you…I’m truly blessed.
            May our Heavenly Father, continue to lead, guide, direct, touch, prosper, heal and protect…all those who love and serve Him…in Christ Yeshua.

          • FYI EoG, “Windy” = Connie when I’m way too long-Winded and/or off topic. Actually quite a slow student, just have excellent teachers from The Shepherd’s Chapel and have had knowledgeable friends share with me. Wish I understood every seed of deeper meaning planted but that will be a life-long endeavor. If you know what “Forest of the Weavers” means, please share. That one I heard Pastor Arnold mention a few times but have no idea what it means. It is a root of another word or phrase in Scripture, not directly stated I think. There, off topic again but I’ll sign correctly and take responsibility! WEB hasn’t banned me yet so….

          • Lolz Connie! I believe you’ve mentioned your other moniker before, coming to think of it! Didn’t click until you reminded me now though. 🙂 Thanks for reminding me…and for your kind words and support. In everything Good…to GOD be the Glory! And I would not think of your kind beautiful thoughts as …”long-Winded and/or off topic”…we may sometimes try to express those thoughts and position, as we think of them, and it certainly gets the message across…so I will call that…*UNIQUE*… which I appreciate you taking the time, to help me understand, where you’re coming from! That’s *special*. And you are blessed indeed to have SC and your knowledgeable friends to share with you. I learned that exact way myself, with the help of God, ofcourse. I’m sure you know more than you *think*.. in comparison to the many Biblically illiterate today. May God continue to bless you…and all those who earnestly seek…with wisdom and understanding His Word, with intelligence.

            It will *also* be quite a feat, for me to understand “EVERY seed of deeper meaning planted” Connie…so…I take lots of notes, when I’m *not* quite familiar with a subject.

            But…you’ve got me on this one! “Forest of the Weavers”??? All that comes to mind, is maybe PAM may have mentioned it in expounding a bit further on the Weavers, *historically* during a particular Lecture or Documentary?
            For eg. in 2 Samuel 21:19 “And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of JAAREOREGIM, a Beth-lehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a WEAVER’S beam.”

            *****PAM stated that this particular *Weaver’s beam” was approx. 20-26 feet long. Fit for a GIANT I’d say…and maybe he went deeper on this. You can also reference the use of “Weaver’s beam” in: 1 Samuel 17:7; 1 Chronicles 11:23;
            “JAAREOREGIM” Strong’s H3296 – Ya`arey ‘Orĕgiym from the plural of H3293 and the masculine plural active participle of H707; WOODS OF WEAVERS; Jaare-Oregim, an Israelite: (‘Orĕgiym Jaare-oregim = “FORESTS OF WEAVER”) So here it gave the *translation* of this name, and you can see directly above, what it means. Other than the info shared in my comment here, I cannot help you much further…unless you could maybe give me the Scriptures PAM was referring to, whenever he mentioned that. 🙁 Or maybe my brothers and sisters on WEB may know more on this.

            p.s. Brandon can correct me, if I didn’t get this right…but he is more concerned when we move *off topic* under the *Topical Studies* on WEB…which I do understand and agree, that doing so may confuse the ‘young’ in the Word…but apart from those Studies, we may debate and plants seeds in other areas or segments. That’s where I learn *LOTS*…from the Contributions of my brothers and sisters, on any given topic…From Bible to World Events! I love that! And am quite thankful to Brandon for all that he does on WEB and allowing us to learn from one another as well. What a *BLESSING*!

            So good to hear from you, Connie,…love your good sense of humor too! 🙂 Gives me quite a chuckle! I’m sorry I couldn’t have been more helpful on this one!
            May God / Christ continue to bless, lead, guide, direct and touch…all those who love and serve Him!

          • You are awesomely awesome EoG!! I would have never come up with Jaare Oregim as a reference. I often listen to Shepherd’s Chapel without my Bible in hand and that is not the best way to study. At one time I looked up “forest” and “weavers” and didn’t find or overlooked. Seems there’s a deeper meaning to chew on here and you’ve pointed out exactly where to start.

            Thanks for clarifying where we can more freely go off topic, I will take full advantage of that info, ha!

          • Well…I’m glad it’s a start, Connie! Sorry I couldn’t be of more help on that one! Happy hunting on that name and meaning! I’ve read that the name Jaare-oregim occurs only once in the Bible. Jaare-oregim of Bethlehem is the father of Elhanan, who killed the giant Goliath the Gittite at Gob. This Goliath was one of four sons of the famous Goliath This was another younger brother to that same Goliath, only Elhanan used a wooden spear to do the job. (2 Samuel 21:19). I’ll listen closely to the lectures, when I come across on it again…and this time, I’ll try to take more *notes* on that! 🙂
            Lolz…I always look forward to learning more on anything…that *aligns* with God’s Word. And you are welcome! To God be the Glory!

          • W.C.3 The Kenites; i.e. sons of Cain, were not wiped out in the flood of Noah. In the book of Numbers 25:21 you will notice that the *KENITES* were doing just fine after the flood. Also, when the bible says “And the rain was upon the *EARTH* …”; this means only the known earth at that time; not the entire globe. If every living thing on the face of the globe was destroyed by the flood, then how do you explain Gen. 8:11 where it reads: “And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.” Please note that it takes many years to grow an olive tree with many leaves, but here we find dry ground which was untouched by the water. You may say but with God all things are possible,(which is true); however, created the earth naturally over time not instantly with the snap of his fingers; and God is the same yesterday, today, and will be tomorrow.
            If you have even more questions, please first carefully read all of Brandon’s bible studies; especially on the children of Satan and those who claim to be our brother Judah but do lie and are of the synagogue of Satan.
            Thank you for your fellowship and God bless.

          • Well since there is no Numbers 25:21 in my KJV, you either have your own version, or you meant Numbers 24:21. Anyway, you presume that these are the descendants of Cain, as if only the descendants of Cain are of the Serpent seed. But I have shown you that others of the descendants of Ham also are of the serpent seed.

            My current understanding is that this is a different line altogether, because 1) Moses married one of them. Would Moses have married one of the Serpent seed? Not likely, and Moses apparently identified the Kenite’s God, El Shaddai, with YHVH, and 2) they helped Israel in the wilderness, 1 Samuel 15:6, would the Serpent’s seed HELP Israel? I doubt that, and 3) the name means “smiths” as in metal workers, like some of the sons of Cain. Is this why people called them “Kenites” because like the sons of Cain in that they were metal workers, or because they WERE metal workers, what in America would have been called “blacksmiths.” We know from studying names in the Scriptures that they are descriptive, but not necessarily indicative of lineage. For example, none of the sons of Noah were called Noahites, and none of the sons of Abraham were called Abrahamites. But in other instances, the sons of Israel were called Israelites, and their sons had their father’s name. Point being the name of the tribe may, or may not be, linked with the name of their father.

            Other than the name of this tribe, there is no link whatsoever with the original Cain in Scriptures. And there is a lot of evidence that they are not at all descendants of Cain, as noted above. Further, you would have to say that the flood did not kill all of the men other than those in the Ark, which the Bible clearly says it did, and you don’t have to go into all that “only of the known world” extra Biblical interpretation.

            I am open to Scriptural evidence to show me where I’m wrong (I’ve been wrong before, and probably will be shown wrong again in other areas), but what you have presented seems very weak to me, especially in light of the fact that the Word contradicts you and you have to add things to make it all work in your interpretation.

            That being said, the way you interpret the Torah is critical in understanding prophesy. And since I don’t “know it all” I am very careful not to hold too closely to any theory without very strong Scriptural support. I know that when things start to happen, as they have, I have to keep my mind open to what I do know from Scripture and see where all these events fit in. I may well have to change my understanding as events proceed and I see where these events fall in prophecy.

            I did read the two studies Brandon suggested, and they are very similar to some of the things Pember said in Earth’s Earliest Ages, but I do intend on considering those further. It may take me awhile to digest it all.

            Even though we don’t agree on this particular topic, at this time, I like seeing other people studying and thinking deeply about the Word. There are far too few of us that do that, and even fewer who try to obey what it says. So I thank God for you all and consider you brothers in Christ Jesus.

            God bless.

          • WarriorClass thank you for the comment. Just keep praying about these subjects and keep the Word open. I am sure you are doing that. If you would like to better understand the children of Satan please set aside some time to read these two studies which cover how they came about and who they are today. Have a good day.

            The Garden of Eden: The Origins of Satan’s Seed

            The Synagogue of Satan: Those Who Claim To Be Judah But Do Lie

          • I will. But like I said above, it takes me a while to digest and consider before I can respond. I do like your website here, Brandon, and don’t feel like we have to agree on everything to be one in our Saviour. I think each brother has some truths God has given them to share with the rest of us. The main cause of division in the Body has been different truths that people take off on, thinking they alone have THE truth, when in fact they only have a piece of it and then fly off on that tangent with their own denomination. It is really sad to see this in the body of believers. In the early Church, they all stuck together in each locality, and I doubt they all agreed on every single issue, human nature being what it is and always has been. Besides, I think there’s a lot more we agree on than not.

          • I would agree with you that not one person on this earth has everything right. We just do our best and keep digging in the Word and ask God to lead us all as we go. Have a good evening.

          • And I would add the following Scripture also:

            Romans 3:10 “As it is written, There is NONE righteous, NO, NOT one:”
            *****It is written in the Old Testament, and Paul is quoting from Psalm 14:1-3;
            Psalms 14:1 “The fool hath said in his heart, “There is no God”.
            They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there
            is none that doeth good.”
            Psalms 14:2 “The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God.”
            Psalms 14:3 “They are all gone aside, they are all together become FILTHY: There is NONE that doeth good, NO NOT one.”
            *****Then to sum it all up, our righteousness is as filthy rags, in comparison to our heavenly Father’s righteousness.

          • Ok, that was easier than I thought it would be. I had already read these two studies a few months ago and agreed with them, because I had already learned these things many years ago and had been preaching the same thing. The only point of difference was that although Cain was not listed as Adam’s sons, neither was Able. In Genesis 5, Seth is listed as Adam’s son. Was Able Adam’s son? Probably, since it says preceding his birth that Adam knew Eve his wife. It also says the same thing concerning Cain, but we have further indication in Scripture that Eve also knew the Serpent, and as you have stated and the evidence reveals Cain to be of the Serpent’s seed. No disagreement there.

            My question still remains, however, regarding how some of the sons of Ham became to be of the serpent’s seed. I have no idea how this happened, but only know that it did happen. Some how the nephilim genes were either in Ham, unlikely, or his wife, possibly. But not sure. Nevertheless, these genes became activated in Nimrod and Canaan, and the serpent’s seed continued on after the flood through them.

          • With respect to Genesis 5. Abel most definitely was Adam’s son. Let’s read the opening line of that chapter.

            Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.

            Abel did not have generations because Cain killed him. This is why Abel is not listed. Abel never had the opportunity to have children and could not contribute to Adam’s prodigy.

            Just keep studying and asking our Father for understanding Warrior. Have a good evening.

          • Point taken. Jesus calls Abel “righteous” in Matthew 23:35. I was in no way implying Abel was of the serpent seed.

          • I know, I just wanted to ensure the point is clear.

          • PART ONE 1 of 2.
            Hello again WC 3,
            Since you’ve mentioned that this comment to DFG…was really meant in response to me…I’ll share a few things from what you’ve stated in there, that I hold different positions on.
            To be a descendant or *SEED* of the SERPENT (One of Satan’s most demoted role yet)…you must come from the Loins of the Serpent / Satan himself…not the Fallen Angels or any other entity. Moses did *NOT* marry a Serpent seed / Kenite…Moses’ wife came from the Lineage of Abraham’s son “MEDIAN” by his second wife “KETURAH”…They were only called “Kenites”…because of their Geographical Location…they lived in the Land where the Kenites occupied at that time.

            Genesis 25:1 Then again Abraham took a WIFE, and her name was KETURAH.”

            2 “And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and MIDIAN, and Ishbak, and Shuah.”

            *****It is of great importance that those who desire a deeper understanding of God’s Word, to pay attention to the genealogies of the Bible. For it is in them where we see that the Lineage of Jesus Christ was not polluted. Satan tried it with the giants, he will try it with the Canaanites, but Abraham put a stop to it.

            Medan and Midian were half-brothers with Ishmael, and they were mixed together in most of their dealings. We will see in Genesis 37:25 where the Ishmaelites are called Midianites, for they were so mixed that the only way to distinguish between them, was through their nose rings. Though both tribes, or nations were from Abraham, the Ishmaelites were from Abraham by Hagar, the Egyptian.

            Many teachers of the Bible teach that Moses married a daughter of a Kenite, however, we read in Exodus 3:1; Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.” Notice that Jethro is a title, while Midian is the tribe that Moses’ father in law was part of. To be a priest of “MIDIAN”…one must be a full blooded MEDIANITE.

            Then in Exodus 18:1: “When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses’ father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses…” This is also a second witness to the fact that Moses’ Father-in-law was a Midian priest; and for his real name it is given in Exodus 2:18, and Numbers 10:29. Moses’ father in law’s name was “Reuel”, and the fact that he was a priest of Midian, shows he was from the stock of Abraham. For Midian was the son of Abraham, through his wife “Keturah”…
            So we see that Moses married a daughter of Abraham, by Keturah, and *NOT*…some KENITE, who are the offspring of Satan, through Cain. “Reuel” lived in the land of the Kenites, and held the title of Jethro. Just because Abraham lived in the land of the “Canaanites”…did not make Abraham a Canaanite.
            END OF PART 1.

          • PART TWO 2 of 2.
            You’ve have stated in one of your responses to me, above that:
            “The descendants of Cain were wiped out by the flood, as were the progeny of the fallen angels, as well as the mixture of the two.”
            The descendants of Cain are called “Kenites”…and they are “FLESH” also. They are the *biological* seed of the Serpent in the Garden, Satan who had wholly seduced Eve and she bare Cain with that union. The purpose of the Flood, was to kill off the GIANTS…who were hybrids of the unholy union of Fallen Angels and the daughters of *the man Adam*….along with those who intermixed and gave their daughters in marriage to the Fallen Angels. Two of the Kenites were also preserved along with two of every other race, for God YHVH uses the Kenites to carry out the *NEGATIVE* parts of HIS Plan…even to this day.
            I take it that you did *not* at all…consider this part of my earlier response to you on how those *FLESH* races also survived the Flood? *Particularly*:
            “******Well I’ll give it my best shot, WarriorClass III…maybe these verses may help, if only just a little. But First…we’ll have to document that God also established that man is *FLESH* also.

            Genesis 6:3 “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that HE also is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
            Genesis 2:24: “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
            mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be ONE *FLESH.*”
            Genesis 6:19 “And of every living thing of ALL *FLESH*, two of EVERY SORT shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be MALE and FEMALE.”
            ******Take note of the fact that each race of the
            sixth day Creation are also FLESH, and “after their KIND”, extends to THEM also. The black, the yellow race, and the Kenites were all FLESH, “and after their kind.”, and of every living thing of all FLESH”. God stipulates “one male and one female”. This is so EACH race can START OVER, and EACH of these persons aboard the ark then was covered under the covenant that God made with NOAH.”

            ******HOWEVER…the other idea is that the flood destroyed only that which God had intended to flood. The area of flooding existed only in the area that the hybrids of the fallen angels had settled in. That area that the Adamic race had intermixed with the Fallen angels. If one still subscribe to the universality of the Flood, you have more explaining to do. You must reconcile the Flood with the histories of China and Egypt and explain how it is that Egyptian chronology shows an uninterrupted succession of Dynasties from at least 3001 B.C. So…was the Flood of
            Noah universal, i.e. worldwide? Hmmm! You decide. Brandon offers some wonderful Topics right here on WEB…that may help you further understand the answers to which you seek. Check them out by Topics.”

            I do agree and appreciate this part of your comment, WC 3…as well as I deeply appreciate you sharing your position with us here on WEB:

            “Even though we don’t agree on this particular topic, at this time, I like seeing other people studying and thinking deeply about the Word. There are far too few of us that do that, and even fewer who try to obey what it says. So I thank God for you all and consider you brothers in Christ Jesus.”
            AMEN TO THAT!
            May God / Christ continue to lead, guide, direct and touch all those who love and serve Him!

          • Well said Eye. I am glad you had the time to expound on this precious topic. Gods’ word is more precious than all the gold in the world!

          • I’m glad that I did, DFG! I’ve been meaning to do just that, for the sake of whomsoever will. God’s Word is definitely ” more precious than all the gold in the world”…I wholeheartedly agree!
            Good to hear from you, my dear brother in Christ!

          • The LORD does not leave us in the dark about the sons of Cain and what they do, they are with us to today and will be to the end.

            Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
            Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
            Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
            Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
            Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
            Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

            Luk_6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.

            7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

        • Hi again, WC 3…Now that you’ve been through the Topical Studies which Brandon had suggested to you…and you may have even studied a bit deeper, let’s tackle the following paragraph, which you may now see, how confusing this part of your comment is to me, at least.

          “Somehow some of the descendants of Ham became nephilim, such as Nimrod and Canaan. I don’t know how this happened, unless there were some nephilim genes that came through Ham’s wife or a female servant? I don’t see a second incursion of fallen angels documented in Scripture to account for this, so I don’t really know how this happened, but only know they are of the serpent seed, by their works.”

          *****God’s Word did *not* leave us wanting…we only have to *search* it out, with wisdom, common sense and intelligence, which we earnestly pray for…also by studying His Word, in addition to having God blessed teachers and sharers of His Word, to help us along the way. I’m sure we can *all* appreciate, whatever form, God sends His Help! So…can we take into consideration, what I’ve shared about the 6th day Creation mankind, being involved in all of this as well. We should see in the studies, why they are *not* “serpent seed”…and as you have mentioned…by their “works”…Also, the “descendant of Ham” CANNOT…become “nephilim” or have “nephilim genes that came through Ham’s wife or a female servant”…as we may view that as…assumption or speculation…and we want to be sure…don’t we?

          So we continue to keep plowing away. We may consider, as I’ve already shared with you in my initial comment…that “a second incursion of fallen angels” did again occur…as evident in Numbers 13:16-33…with the scouts that were sent out to spy out the Land, which took 40 days…which in Biblical Numerics stands for *Probation*…and returned with the evil report that, “There are giants over there”…They had left God completely out of their plans, and of course this lack of faith in God’s promises would make God angry. God had His trusted *troopers* on the job though…Joshua and Caleb, who did *not* challenge the size of the land’s inhabitants…only the *cowards, defectors* did this. Numbers 14:6-9. These five heathen nations were enough to scare anyone that lacked the faith in God. God told them that these people were there in Exodus 3:8, and yet when they saw it all come to pass, they forgot. God told them I will lead you in, so fear not.” And the Israelites lost their faith. In Exodus 3:8 there…The Perrizzites are the offspring of the *SECOND* influx of Fallen angels, and the Jebusites are the founders of the place we call Jerusalem. So it’s obvious to me…that the 6th day Creation, mankind, were there also. God knew all of the enemies of the children of Israel, even while they were in possession and maintain that land when the children of God were down in bondage.

          Now…if I may also add…Joshua 11:21-22…among other Books of the O.T. 1 Samuel 17:4-7; 2 Samuel 21:15-22 etc….concerning the influx of those ‘pesky’ giants…fathered by none other than *Fallen angels*!
          So…I will be so forward…in saying that discerning from *all* this information given…that there was *definitely* a SECOND INFLUX…(We cannot *deny* that the Fallen angels came back, from all of this) we just have to use the Good Common Sense, understanding with wisdom and intelligence, that we are blessed with…through earnest prayers for those…and staying in God’s Word. Some are just plain gifted / have earned it, in the First Earth Age…like with the Prophets / God’s Election…Gifted teachers…while others have to work at it…for God do not like slothful people! And to whom much is given…much is expected. So…we can share what we’ve gotten out of our earnest Bible studies and from Bible Teachers and Seed planters / sharers of His Word.
          So…here we are…sharing, while we keep plowing! Just some food for thought, WC 3.

          ******Hope at least, this did shed some Light, on this part of your comment: ” I don’t see a second incursion of fallen angels documented in Scripture to account for this, so I don’t really know how this happened,……..”

          May God / Christ continue to bless, lead, guide, direct and touch…all those who love and serve Him!

  2. Hi Angela, good question. Remember it is written in Psalms 55:22 that when we are troubled that we should: (22) “Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.”
    Remember that we have nothing to fear when we truly love and follow our Father’s word. He tells us this in his word many times. Psalms 37:25. “I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. (26) He [our heavenly Father] is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is *BLESSED*. (27) Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore. (28) For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh [NOT HIS SAINTS]; they are *preserved* for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall [die] be cut off.”
    Also remember Matthew 6:33. “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things [that the flesh body needs in this world age] shall be added unto you.”
    God takes care of his faithful children that love him and seek his word first before all other concerns. That being said, through his word, you learn how to use common sense and apply it to your daily life. When you follow him and try your best; he will bless you. For it is written:
    Matthew 7:24-27
    (24) “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH THEM [such as preparing for the tribulation (if you can)], I will liken him to a wise man, which built his house upon a rock [God/Jesus is our unshakeable rock]: (25) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon the house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock [God’s word/truth]: (26) And every one that heareth these sayings of mine and DOETH THEM NOT, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: (27) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it:”
    You can read more about building your house’s foundation on sand/false teaching/doctrines of man by reading about this in Ezekiel 13. Just keep in mind that this storm/flood is related to the flood of lies that proceeds out of Satan’s mouth spoken of in Rev. 12:15. If your faith is built on traditions of man then you will be deceived by Satan’s lies during the tribulation and your house of faith will fall.
    Thanks Angela for your fellowship here on this web site and God Bless.

  3. Very edifying, these Q & A segments are on WEB…Brandon! Great job! Truly appreciated.
    Just as a note, with regards to Antonio’s Question 2…
    There is another battle at the *END* of the Millennium also…can you believe it? *AFTER* those spiritually dead souls are *disciplined* during the Millennium, in their spiritual bodies, no less…some will again join Satan in *BATTLE*! Here is what God / Christ’s Word says about that *BATTLE*….

    Revelation 20:7 “And when the THOUSAND years are EXPIRED, Satan shall be LOOSED out of his PRISON.”

    ******When everyone has been taught who are in their mortal (liable to die) soul bodies, THEN…Satan will be loosed. Those teachings will have been given under PERFECT conditions, and all will have bodies with no ailments, perfect thought, and NO temptations by Satan. In fact, all will KNOW he was the deceiver of this earth age. Their understanding will be PERFECT.

    THEN…Satan is RELEASED!

    God is a God of love, and His love is shown by his great patience and understanding
    of the shortcomings of mankind. There will be no one who goes to hell, and is burned by IGNORANCE. If someone FOLLOWS Satan THEN, they deserve what they have coming. There will be MANY that will still FOLLOW Satan even with the FULL KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH in their minds.

    Revelation 20:8 “And shall go out to DECEIVE the nations which are in the FOUR
    quarters of the earth, GOG and MAGOG, to gather them together to BATTLE: the number of whom is as the SAND OF THE SEA.”

    *****”GOG and MAGOG” means from “the EAST to the WEST”. We see Satan will COVER the earth AGAIN for the DECEPTION of all there, once again. Can you believe that? Satan will STILL have his FOLLOWERS and hoards of unbelievers ready to do BATTLE for him. After 1,000 years of teaching, the tribulation of the seven trumpets, and visually seeing Satan as the fallen one (DECEIVED of the earth) in prison, they will still FOLLOW him in LARGE numbers.

    May God / Christ…continue to lead, guide, direct, touch, comfort and protect…all those who love and serve Him!

    • I agree Eye that it’s almost impossible to fathom that so many of God’s children will still follow Satan at the end of the millennium, but it is written that in the first earth age that “… his [Satan’s] tail drew a third part of the stars of heaven,…Rev. 12:4. Sometimes evil is just that, evil like Satan. Still it is hard to believe that these souls would still choose death over life. They are deluded like Satan; thinking with enough souls combined they can over come God. Thank God we know better.

      • Thanks for sharing that, DFG! You’re absolutely right! Satan did this once before in that First World Age / First Heaven and Earth Age. Satan has gained even more *confidence* since then…I’m sure! He is a quite proud and arrogant entity to begin with, and he truly believe, he can do it again. Unfortunately, he is right. Satan probably believe, that maybe God may choose *not* to destroy so many of his children again, if he can command such a feat! Including him! But he is sadly mistaken! It was more than just *one third* that actually fell on Satan’s side…we have to remember…that there is *NO* grey areas…*NO* in between with God…it’s either you are on one side or the other…God or Satan, Good or evil, Holy or Profane, Right or Wrong, Politically correct or Morally correct…and those were almost…*all*…of the created souls back then, that didn’t care enough, to fight along with Michael and his angels *against* Satan and his troops! Only a *FEW*…in comparison to all those created by God…stood *AGAINST* Satan! Either those that *DEFECTED* didn’t cared *neither* about God…*nor*…Satan…*or*…they thought if they did good in their *own* eyes…they can create their *own* Salvation! NOT SO AT ALL THOUGH! You can even see them making those *same* mistakes, even today! Some believe that *if*…they are nice to their neighbors and do good to others, they’ll be all set for Eternal life…some cares nothing about God or Satan…while the rest of us stay faithful to God. What’s important to know…is that…CHRIST YESHUA is the…*ONLY*…Way, Truth and the Life…*NO* one comes to the Father…*EXCEPT* by Him. John 14:6 And John 3:16 is very *REAL* also…for Christianity is *NOT* a Religion…but…a *REALITY*! We *must* BELIEVE…in CHRIST YESHUA…for us *NOT* to PERISH like Satan…and have *EVERLASTING / ETERNAL* Life! So…what Satan has done in the First Earth Age…is all the more reason…we should…*NEVER, EVER*…underestimate *Satan*! Instead…we should have our *FULL* Gospel Armor, on and in place…AND…above *all*…the Shield of *FAITH*. Ephesians 6:11-16. Satan was created the *FULL SUM OR PATTERN*…of Beauty and Intelligence! Reference Ezekiel 28…where Satan is called the *king of Tyre *BEFORE* his fall from Grace…and…the *prince of Tyre *AFTER* his fall from Grace. Even all the *trees* (people, entities) ENVIED Satan in the Garden of Eden. Ezekiel 31:9 We see in Genesis 3:3 that the ‘Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil’ was the ‘tree’ that Adam and Eve weren’t supposed to ‘touch.’ We know that literal trees posses no knowledge of good and evil…that is simply one of Satan’s titles. Even Michael the Archangel, do *not* argue or durst *NOT* bring against him (Satan) a railing ACCUSATION. Jude 1:9. And it even took…*BOTH*…Michael…*AND*…Gabriel together…to overcome Satan, who was called the “the prince of the kingdom of Persia”…another one of Satan’s roles. Daniel 10:13. Those in itself, should be *HUGE* clues…as to what type of EVIL, PRIDEFUL, ARROGANT entity we would be dealing with! God did *not* leave us wanting though! In the Name of CHRIST YESHUA…we were given *power* over SATAN…and *all* the EVIL entities…and God’s Elect do *not* even have to *premeditate*…what…they should be saying to Satan, when they are delivered up…for God Himself will speak through them! *FAILURE* to do so…by God’s Elect…*is*…the *UNFORGIVABLE* sin! I believe with all my heart…that the *ELECT* is ***not*** going to fail Him! They stood with Him before…they will do so again! Praises and Glory be to our Heavenly Father, God YHVH!

      • I join you, my brother in Christ, DFG…in thanking God for opening our eyes and ears to *that* Truth!
        God Bless.

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